28 May 10
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/28/us/politics/28tell.html?hp
The President will sign this bill if it comes to him, his equivocations on this issue notwithstanding. I am not sure it will get through the Senate, however. It's possible the Dems could peel off a Snowe or Collins or Brown to beat a filibuster, but in such a precarious election cycle for the Dems, they might very well have trouble getting 59 Dem votes for cloture. Blanche Lincoln, for example, might seal her political fate by voting to end a filibuster on this issue.
FWIW, I'm in favor of getting rid of DADT. If soldiers' morale is decreased, they can learn to get over it. I predict that if DADT falls, in 10 years, people will be wondering what all the fuss was about.
28 May 10
Originally posted by sh76no, it's not.
That's exactly what's being proposed.
"The provision would allow military commanders to repeal the ban."
Not the same as TELLING them to do it.
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House Votes to Allow ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ Repeal
By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN and CARL HULSE
Published: May 27, 2010
WASHINGTON — The House voted Thursday to let the Defense Department repeal the ban on gay and bisexual people from serving openly in the military, a major step toward dismantling the 1993 law widely known as “don’t ask, don’t tell.”
The provision would allow military commanders to repeal the ban. The repeal would permit gay men and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.
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28 May 10
Originally posted by zeeblebotTrue, but if the commander in chief doesn't veto, you'd think he'd implement the change...
no, it's not.
"The provision would allow military commanders to repeal the ban."
Not the same as TELLING them to do it.
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House Votes to Allow ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ Repeal
By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN and CARL HULSE
Published: May 27, 2010
WASHINGTON — The House voted Thursday to let the Defense Department repeal the ban on gay and bi ...[text shortened]... would permit gay men and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.
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28 May 10
Originally posted by zeeblebotThere's not a snowball's chance in Miami in July that Barack Obama is going to allow the re-institution of "don't ask don't tell" in his military after Congress has repealed it.
he'll likely pass the buck to non-elected officials.
You can bet your bottom dollar on that.
28 May 10
Originally posted by joneschrThe US doesn't disallow gays from serving in the military either; as long as they don't make their sexual orientation public knowledge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation_and_military_service#Countries_that_disallow_homosexuals_from_serving_in_the_military
Brazil, Cuba, Egypt, Greece, Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Korea, Syria, Turkey, Venezuela, and Yemen.
Just saying...
28 May 10
Originally posted by sh76Be serious; most DADT discharges aren't because the soldier makes his sexual orientation "public knowledge" but because a fellow soldier becomes aware of it and rats him/her out to headquarters.
The US doesn't disallow gays from serving in the military either; as long as they don't make their sexual orientation public knowledge.
Just saying...
28 May 10
Originally posted by sh76Is it part of Republican Senate strategy to filibuster EVERYTHING?
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/28/us/politics/28tell.html?hp
The President will sign this bill if it comes to him, his equivocations on this issue notwithstanding. I am not sure it will get through the Senate, however. It's possible the Dems could peel off a Snowe or Collins or Brown to beat a filibuster, but in such a precarious election cycle for the Dems, ...[text shortened]... redict that if DADT falls, in 10 years, people will be wondering what all the fuss was about.
28 May 10
Originally posted by no1marauderNot quite everything; but every hot button issue or bill, yes. They think this is a winning strategy for the midterms.
Is it part of Republican Senate strategy to filibuster EVERYTHING?
They will absolutely try to filibuster the DADT bill. They will probably succeed, too.