If not totally versed and educated with these mysterious 'religions', I find it odd that you all speak quite profoundly about them. I don't know what you, and they, are talking about. How would I? Why study that stuff? Why would you all? How does one of you know that the other speaks from truisms? Do we need to learn these religions since they are 'a comin? Brrrrrrrrrr
Tell ole uncle joe how they are different. I am curious, I have heard that they murder gays, such as that.
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@no1marauder saidIran was doing well before the 1979 islamic "revolution"...
And which one of those were ""Open, free, democratic societies" before "Islam took over"?
That was the crackpot premise of the OP.
They embraced western values and the women were definitely better off.
It wasn't completely free like a western country but by now it would be. They were pushing for western values and nobody will say Iran is better now.
Now look at Iran. Total crap.
@no1marauder saidMany. Lets start with Afghanistan:
And which one of those were ""Open, free, democratic societies" before "Islam took over"?
That was the crackpot premise of the OP.
Though Afghanistan has had democratic elections throughout the 20th century, the electoral institutions have varied as changes in the political regime have disrupted political continuity. Elections were last held under the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, which was deposed by the Taliban in August 2021. The Taliban dissolved the Elections Commission in December 2021. In May 2022, when asked if the Taliban would hold elections, First Deputy Leader Sirajuddin Haqqani said the question was "premature". All political parties have been banned since August 2023.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Afghanistan
@Tad saidAll Islamic states are crap. No exception to that rule
Iran was doing well before the 1979 islamic "revolution"...
They embraced western values and the women were definitely better off.
It wasn't completely free like a western country but by now it would be. They were pushing for western values.
Now look at Iran. Total crap.
@AverageJoe1 saidWell now its confirmed .. you are a weirdo. You know nothing about religion but you know what Trump and Kamala Harris have for breakfast, lunch and dinner. You need to get a life.
If not totally versed and educated with these mysterious 'religions', I find it odd that you all speak quite profoundly about them. I don't know what you, and they, are talking about. How would I? Why study that stuff? Why would you all? How does one of you know that the other speaks from truisms? Do we need to learn these religions since they are 'a comin? Brrrrr ...[text shortened]... e uncle joe how they are different. I am curious, I have heard that they murder gays, such as that.
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@Rajk999 saidYou must be joking; Afghanistan was under foreign military occupation for 20 years and no one was allowed to run in those elections unless the US government accepted it.
Many. Lets start with Afghanistan:
Though Afghanistan has had democratic elections throughout the 20th century, the electoral institutions have varied as changes in the political regime have disrupted political continuity. Elections were last held under the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, which was deposed by the Taliban in August 2021. The Taliban dissolved the Elect ...[text shortened]... ave been banned since August 2023.[/b]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Afghanistan
When the Taliban took over the first time, they also overthrew a puppet government left over from a foreign military occupation.
And anyway, any governments elected in the prior periods were Muslim ones, so they hardly support the argument made in the OP.
The premise of the OP i.e. that the percentage of a country's population that is Muslim necessarily results in Thing A, B, C etc. etc. is utter BS.
It's not surprising that someone who spews hate speech constantly on this forum is a big fan of such obvious nonsense which is in line with his ignorant and bigoted view of the world.
@Tad saidAre you that ignorant?
Iran was doing well before the 1979 islamic "revolution"...
They embraced western values and the women were definitely better off.
It wasn't completely free like a western country but by now it would be. They were pushing for western values and nobody will say Iran is better now.
Now look at Iran. Total crap.
Iran before the Islamic Republic was run by an absolute dictator who said in an interview on US TV that he, the sovereign "could do no wrong". He used a brutal secret police to arrest, torture and kill dissidents.
He was also a Muslim, so Islam didn't "take over" the country in 1981.
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@no1marauder saidThe report referred to the whole of the 20th century, during which Afghanistan had democracy and elections. Your comment about that 20 yr period does not change what happened when the Taliban took over and gradually removed the electoral process and banning political parties.
You must be joking; Afghanistan was under foreign military occupation for 20 years and no one was allowed to run in those elections unless the US government accepted it.
When the Taliban took over the first time, they also overthrew a puppet government left over from a foreign military occupation.
The premise of the OP i.e. that the percentage of a country's populat ...[text shortened]... a big fan of such obvious nonsense which is in line with his ignorant and bigoted view of the world.
All this talk about 'hate speech', is not helping your case. Rather it makes you look childish.
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@Rajk999 saidI edited the post, any and all of those governments were run by Muslims, so it doesn't support the claim in the OP anyway.
The report referred to the whole of the 20th century, during which Afghanistan had democracy and elections. Your comment about that 20 yr period does not change what happened when the Taliban took over and gradually removed the electoral process and banning political parties.
All this talk about 'hate speech', is not helping your case. Rather it makes you look childish.
I thought you were a fan of the "truth"? It is beyond question that you constantly post hate speech on this Forum.
@no1marauder saidIts hate speech for you, because you are a supporter of Islam, and you are blind to the multitude of flaws and the horrendous human rights record.
I edited the post, any and all of those governments were run by Muslims, so it doesn't support the claim in the OP anyway.
I thought you were a fan of the "truth"? It is beyond question that you constantly post hate speech on this Forum.
Since you wont accept Wiki's version of Election in Afghanistan, here is some information on persecution of non-muslims particularly Christians in some of these Islamic states:
In practically every Muslim-majority country—from Morocco on the northwest coast of Africa to supposedly secular and democratic Indonesia in Southeast Asia—blasphemy laws on the books deter criticism of Islam and are often used as weapons against Christian minorities. A few years ago, Basuki Tjahaja Purnama, the Christian governor of Jakarta, Indonesia, was found guilty of blasphemy and sentenced to prison time. The list of countries in which apostasy from Islam (and only Islam) is a capital offense includes Sudan, Afghanistan, Brunei, Mauritania, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen. These are all self-identifying Muslim nations.
In other words, Christianity seems to suffer the most under Islam (though secular totalitarian regimes like China and North Korea give Islam a run for its money).
I have some personal familiarity with the sad state of Christians living in Muslim countries. For several years while living in Thailand, I befriended several Pakistani Catholic families who had fled persecution in their country and were seeking refugee status from the United Nations. These Catholics had endured it all: threats, intimidation, harassment, and physical violence. Some had female relatives who had been abducted and forcibly married to Muslim men. (Almost 1,000 of these cases happen in Pakistan every year.)
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/explaining-christian-persecution-in-muslim-countries
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@Rajk999 saidLMAO! I don't support any of your silly Abrahamic religions or any other superstition based on ridiculous anthropomorphic, Big Daddy Gods. But I am willing to call out bigoted BS.
Its hate speech for you, because you are a supporter of Islam, and you are blind to the multitude of flaws and the horrendous human rights record.
Since you wont accept Wiki's version of Election in Afghanistan, here is some information on persecution of non-muslims particularly Christians in some of these Islamic states:
[i]In practically every Muslim-majority country ...[text shortened]... ttps://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/explaining-christian-persecution-in-muslim-countries
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@Rajk999 said79 countries, including your own, still have blasphemy laws. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/01/25/four-in-ten-countries-and-territories-worldwide-had-blasphemy-laws-in-2019-2/
Its hate speech for you, because you are a supporter of Islam, and you are blind to the multitude of flaws and the horrendous human rights record.
Since you wont accept Wiki's version of Election in Afghanistan, here is some information on persecution of non-muslims particularly Christians in some of these Islamic states:
[i]In practically every Muslim-majority country ...[text shortened]... ttps://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/explaining-christian-persecution-in-muslim-countries
https://end-blasphemy-laws.org/countries/americas/trinidad-tobago/
@no1marauder saidBig deal. There are also laws that make homosexuality a criminal offence and lots of other archaic laws handed down from the British Empire, but they are not enforced.
79 countries, including your own, still have blasphemy laws. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/01/25/four-in-ten-countries-and-territories-worldwide-had-blasphemy-laws-in-2019-2/
https://end-blasphemy-laws.org/countries/americas/trinidad-tobago/
Here we refer to laws passed by an Islamic state when they recently came into power. These laws are enforced, and people are killed.
The questions are:
- Does Islam restrict the right of citizens to vote
- Does Islam restrict the rights of women
- Does Islam persecute non-muslims particularly Christians
- Does Islam persecute muslims who have left Islam
The answer to all these questions is Yes.
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@Rajk999 saidNo, Islam doesn't.
Big deal. There are also laws that make homosexuality a criminal offence and lots of other archaic laws handed down from the British Empire, but they are not enforced.
Here we refer to laws passed by an Islamic state when they recently came into power. These laws are enforced, and people are killed.
The questions are:
- Does Islam restrict the right of citizens to vot ...[text shortened]... ans
- Does Islam persecute muslims who have left Islam
The answer to all these questions is Yes.
As I've already shown, Muslim countries have varied political and legal systems, so most adherents to Islam don't believe their superstition "requires" any of those things.
What makes you and other bigoted, right wing Christians better judges of Islam than them?