@wildgrass saidThe CDC admitted on their website that they count covid cases differently for the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. The vaccinated who are not hospitalized or died are not counted. They are counted for the unvaccinated though. I created a thread about it and everything. Don't you remember it?
Compared to other vaccines? Why would I do that? What would that show? That's clearly not what VAERS is for. It's simply a passive reporting system, unlinked to causes.
A much better analysis would be to compare the risk ratio of getting vaccinated vs. unvaccinated and getting COVID vs. not getting COVID. These studies have been done though. For example, see this article ...[text shortened]... ly Living Laboratory Collaboration at Harvard Medical School and Clalit Research Institute.)[/quote]
Is the NE journal of medicine counting breakthrough cases like the CDC does or are they counting all breakthrough cases? If they are counting only hospitalized people or deaths it is statistical fraud and you must use my suggested method. That is why you would do that.
As long as you are in denial of the fact that the CDC does NOT count all cases of the vaccinated while counting all of the cases for the unvaccinated you are going to keep debating in circles. STOP DOING THAT!
Either answer my question or stop pretending that article you posted is relevant.
@metal-brain saidThe article I posted was from Israel and had nothing to do with the CDC.
The CDC admitted on their website that they count covid cases differently for the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. The vaccinated who are not hospitalized or died are not counted. They are counted for the unvaccinated though. I created a thread about it and everything. Don't you remember it?
Is the NE journal of medicine counting breakthrough cases like the CDC does o ...[text shortened]... TOP DOING THAT!
Either answer my question or stop pretending that article you posted is relevant.
@wildgrass saidIrrelevant. You can still find out the answer to my question if you choose to.
The article I posted was from Israel and had nothing to do with the CDC.
It isn't just the CDC either. Different states have different methods of counting breakthrough cases as well. Israel has been accused of data rigging as well.
Either answer the question or stop pretending it is relevant.
I gave you a very good suggestion and you are avoiding it like the plague because you know it will indicate far more deaths from the gene vaccines than traditional vaccines. I know it and so do you.
@metal-brain said🚧🚨Moronity of Gop alert!!!🚨🚧
Irrelevant. You can still find out the answer to my question if you choose to.
It isn't just the CDC either. Different states have different methods of counting breakthrough cases as well. Israel has been accused of data rigging as well.
Either answer the question or stop pretending it is relevant.
I gave you a very good suggestion and you are avoiding it like the ...[text shortened]... indicate far more deaths from the gene vaccines than traditional vaccines. I know it and so do you.
@Metal-Brain
So your obfuscating MO is the covid deaths were CAUSED by the vaccine.
You are one sick puppy.
@metal-brain saidYou're talking about the question in the title of the thread? I don't know. There is risk in everything. My point was that VAERS is useless for answering it, and this is explicitly stated on the VAERS website. You set up a thread that is off-topic from the onset.
Irrelevant. You can still find out the answer to my question if you choose to.
It isn't just the CDC either. Different states have different methods of counting breakthrough cases as well. Israel has been accused of data rigging as well.
Either answer the question or stop pretending it is relevant.
I gave you a very good suggestion and you are avoiding it like the ...[text shortened]... indicate far more deaths from the gene vaccines than traditional vaccines. I know it and so do you.
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@wildgrass saidVAERS called itself useless? I don't think so.
You're talking about the question in the title of the thread? I don't know. There is risk in everything. My point was that VAERS is useless for answering it, and this is explicitly stated on the VAERS website. You set up a thread that is off-topic from the onset.
Does anybody confirm cause of death and report them accurately? I once asked you for your source of information and you said it was VAERS. Are you relying on VAERS because there is no better source or because you like useless sources of information?
Find a better source and we can talk. If you have no better source than admit it. I'm getting sick of your debating in circles. Even if half of VAERS reported deaths are not caused by the vaccines you still have to multiply half of that number by 10. The deaths reported to VAERS is an underestimate, something you refuse to accept.
"You set up a thread that is off-topic from the onset."
You are delusional. I created this thread and I am on topic. We are still talking about how many deaths are caused by vaccines. Compare the number of deaths after vaccination to other vaccines. If you continue to refuse to do that it is because it proves me right and you wrong. That is the real reason you refuse to do it.
@sonhouse saidI never said that. Take your meds.
@Metal-Brain
So your obfuscating MO is the covid deaths were CAUSED by the vaccine.
You are one sick puppy.
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@metal-brain saidNo, it calls itself useless for the specific thing you are abusing them for.
VAERS called itself useless? I don't think so
That warning is similar to the ones on children's swimming floats are not rescue devices: a swimming float is still useful for its actual purpose, and so is VAERS. It's only the misuse which is useless.
@shallow-blue saidStop exaggerating. They never called itself useless.
No, it calls itself useless for the specific thing you are abusing them for.
That warning is similar to the ones on children's swimming floats are not rescue devices: a swimming float is still useful for its actual purpose, and so is VAERS. It's only the misuse which is useless.
The VAERS reported deaths are an underestimate. Most people do not report deaths to VAERS. Heck, most people have never even heard of VAERS.
When people lose loved ones they are too busy grieving and figuring out how to adapt without them to concern themselves with reporting the deaths to something they probably don't know exists yet.
Do doctors advise people to report their loved one's deaths to VAERS? If not, it is most certainly an underestimate.
@Metal-Brain
4,500 total died from/related to All Vacine over last 30 yrs. Over 45,000 have died from/related to Covid Vax in only 9mths! This is Gov Statistics! This is NOT a coincidence! Plus over 3million Adverse Reactions, many requiring Medical Intervention/Hospitalisation. Be Informed through Indipendant Media, NOT MSM!
From the link below:
"One nurse explained how the media is actually lying by stating that most of the healthcare workers are now fully vaccinated for COVID-19. She said this wasn’t true, and that she knew of departments that were only about 20% vaccinated, and that ER workers had an especially low percentage of workers who were fully vaccinated for COVID-19.
“Why aren’t people asking the nurses why they don’t want to take the shots?” she asked.
She said she ran an ER department, and that it was tragic that they were seeing so many heart attacks and strokes, and that it is obvious that they are related to the COVID-19 shots.
One nurse stated that she was never trained about how to submit a report to VAERS, and did not even know it existed until she did some research on her own. There is pressure to NOT report vaccine injuries and deaths, and it takes about 30 minutes to fill out the report, which few will do."
https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/nurses-speak-out-at-minnesota-town-hall-meeting-on-covid-19-vaccine-injuries-and-lack-of-reporting-to-vaers/