@jimmac saidSo jimmac thank you for pointing out numbers any being on Topic. So the assumption is About 1.000.000 $ for a live.
I am well and truly in the humanists corner, that is why I am so so so against this lockdown approach in favor of the likes of Sweden.
Humanity you say, Hmmm, does that mean that you leave logic out of things.
Some of my logic/
1/ In Australia the covid response announced at the federal level only was to spend $440,000,000,000. ok even today there are people crowdfundi ...[text shortened]... or another, lockdown has destroyed our humanity under the guise of saving it, what a load of crock.
Point 2/ I have to exclude from my praise. This is just a random Quote without any significance.
Point 3/ is taken, but as I asked EoT further up we would need at least some numbers here.
@ponderable saidI was making an assumption that 'if" it cost $1,000,000 per life, we would have been able to save 440,000 lives. I would actually think that $1,000,000 would save more than that. I was being conservative in my opinion.
So jimmac thank you for pointing out numbers any being on Topic. So the assumption is About 1.000.000 $ for a live.
Point 2/ I have to exclude from my praise. This is just a random Quote without any significance.
Point 3/ is taken, but as I asked EoT further up we would need at least some numbers here.
The data on the effects of the lockdown has, and will continue to be, hidden from the public.
The numbers are in fact more like $440,0000,0000,0000 / 15,000 which is approx $30,000,000 per actual life saved, IF we had the same response as Sweden AND had the same fatality rate. That was at least what was Budgeted for.
Can any lockdown fan try and tell me how many lives $30M would have saved.
Try an actual answer. Give me even a guess, best guess. If you cannot or will not give me a straight answer, an actual number, then take your lockdown argument and shove it.
@ponderable saidYou also can't value all human lives equally.
So we had some noteworthy posts. And I will try to set up two theses:
* On a personal level some pople will invest very large sums of own (and public) money to save the life of a sepcific person (Think about accidents in mountains with a lot of peoploe in search parties the use of helicopters and such). And of course billionaires can spend much more than ordinary people ...[text shortened]... ust to save one life.
I think DeepThought has put in a very decent attempt to come to a numnber.
I know this sounds callous, but it's unreasonable to equate the death of a frail and sick 86 year old with the death of a healthy 20 year old.
To really make apples-to-apples comparisons, you need to come up with life expectancy lost. Because the median age of a COVID death is about 80, a COVID death is far less costly to society than deaths by accident or suicide or untreated cancer, which tend to strike people who are much younger.
@ponderable saidI haven't read this thread, but if it wasn't 42 he wasted a glorious opportunity.
I think DeepThought has put in a very decent attempt to come to a numnber.
@earl-of-trumps said"No one has an explanation as to why Sweden had a lower deaths/million than the US, UK, Italy, and others, despite having NO lockdowns. "
@moonbus
If you look at what I wrote, moonbus, it had nothing at all to do with Trump and
everything to do with COVID in other nations.
*somehow*, like many a poster before you, you just had to engineer a way to twist
it into a "Orange bad" response so you can then lecture me on why Trump sucks.
been there, done that.
The obvious explanation is that fewer people who had the virus got into Sweden in the first place, so no lockdown was needed to prevent its spread there. No body's fault, just good fortune.
Why was it different in America? Because many people who had contracted the virus abroad brought it back to the US and it spread like wildfire BECAUSE there was no early testing and effective lockdown. Trump's fault.
Explanation provided.
@sh76 saidSo true, it is mindblowingly amazing how many "caring" people can not see this simple reality. Why is that, these people do not "seem" stupid, and yet.
You also can't value all human lives equally.
I know this sounds callous, but it's unreasonable to equate the death of a frail and sick 86 year old with the death of a healthy 20 year old.
To really make apples-to-apples comparisons, you need to come up with life expectancy lost. Because the median age of a COVID death is about 80, a COVID death is far less costly to soci ...[text shortened]... deaths by accident or suicide or untreated cancer, which tend to strike people who are much younger.
@sh76 saidIt was never my intention to equate a flaw in an aircraft to a pandemic.
Grounding the MAX may have a high cost to Boeing, but its cost to society is tiny.
Grinding schools and most businesses to a halt and taking away people's social interaction has an enormous and devastating cost to society.
I was just pointing out that there is a predictable response to something that is new.
In the case of the 737 MAX, 2 planes fell out of the sky with an unknown root cause.
Hence grounding the plane ==> All stop.
COVID 19 appeared with very little knowledge about it.
Hence shut down most aspects of social interaction ==> All stop.
Natural reaction.