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@sonhouse - There was NEVER a problem voting before Trump.
Yes there was a problem, and Trump WOKE these republicans to it.
In November, the two Georgia Senate seats went up for grabs, and then to a runoff.
It was clear then that the seats would be spilt, in the end. WHAT HAPPENED????
The democrats CHEATED. They brought in voters from all over the country to vote in the runoff.
They had DEAD PEOPLE voting.
Still do
@wildgrass saidI could agee with you, of course, that that is probably an underlying reason. But then, wrestle with AvJoe on this nugget. Why in the hell do you think the liberals, the Democrats, you, are opening the border to allow any and all people to come into this country for free medical care, etc, etc, etc!?!?!?!?!? Why!!?!?what happened and why, what were the benefits, what were the consequences, the reasons, who was affected, what the result of it was, how, and for how long, it was argued in Congress, what were the negotiating points, the lobbyist inputs, how did the Pros outweigh the cons,
You started this thread and now you're trying to say it's TOO BIG AN ISSUE TO EVEN DI ...[text shortened]... es. I don't pretend to guess why they did it, except maybe to get votes from farmers in rural areas.
I can answer that!!!! And, I can answer it by copying your last sentence above!! With a slight change of words..... "(To Get Votes From) Mexicans who cross over the border seeking the promises of the Democratic party".
You fellers always make comments without 'closing' your point. You will say the GOP congress does something to get votes, (see your last comment above), but you do NOT say that Dems are doing it this very day with the Mexicans. You fellers just wear out the typing-fingers of us conservatives, for no reason. PLEASE!!!
@sonhouse saidTrump!!?!?!? Is that you, Sonhouse???
@Earl-of-Trumps
Funny how that was never a problem before TRUMP decided it would be in his best political interest to claim massive voter fraud before there was even an election, he was saying that from day one of his campaign.
THAT is why we see literally hundreds of republican voter suppression bills running through republican states.
There was NEVER a problem votin ...[text shortened]... the majority vote in the US.
THAT is what is behind this whole push by repubs around the country.
Look at the law, Sonhouse. It is written #1, to make it easier to vote, and #2, to make it harder to cheat. Whew.
I'd love to see you deny that. That's what it does. You got a TV or a radio or a newspaper in your studio? It is all there.
@averagejoe1 said
I could agee with you, of course, that that is probably an underlying reason. But then, wrestle with AvJoe on this nugget. Why in the hell do you think the liberals, the Democrats, you, are opening the border to allow any and all people to come into this country for free medical care, etc, etc, etc!?!?!?!?!? Why!!?!?
I can answer that!!!! And, I can answer it by ...[text shortened]... xicans. You fellers just wear out the typing-fingers of us conservatives, for no reason. PLEASE!!!
Why in the hell do you think the liberals, the Democrats, you, are opening the border to allow any and all people to come into this country for free medical care, etc, etc, etc!?!?!?!?!? Why!!?!?
Can you be more specific about what you mean by this? I don't understand the question.
@wildgrass saidIt cud not be more clear. Dems also want 4 more ssnators on their side, so want to make DC and PRico states.Why in the hell do you think the liberals, the Democrats, you, are opening the border to allow any and all people to come into this country for free medical care, etc, etc, etc!?!?!?!?!? Why!!?!?
Can you be more specific about what you mean by this? I don't understand the question.
I am quite sure you are messing with me, i think yall call it trolling
@averagejoe1 saidNot trolling I am seriously asking for clarification. What do you mean by the words 'allowing' and 'open borders' and 'all people'? These are cable news talking points, but the words don't mean anything without context. There were specific policy changes between prior and current administrations right? If we want to properly debate this, what specifically has changed policy-wise with the current administration that has changed the game?
It cud not be more clear. Dems also want 4 more ssnators on their side, so want to make DC and PRico states.
I am quite sure you are messing with me, i think yall call it trolling
@Earl-of-Trumps
Right, MILLIONS of dead people voted and that is why Biden is POTUS.
You live in an alternate universe where you are in and out of ours.
You should push the back button so you are in your own little universe.
@sonhouse saidThe new MO is to ask constituents to ignore what is happening in private and just listen to what they say publicly. It's performance over substance. That's the game.
@Earl-of-Trumps
Right, MILLIONS of dead people voted and that is why Biden is POTUS.
You live in an alternate universe where you are in and out of ours.
You should push the back button so you are in your own little universe.
@earl-of-trumps saidThe evidence for this is ......................................... what?
@sonhouse - There was NEVER a problem voting before Trump.
Yes there was a problem, and Trump WOKE these republicans to it.
In November, the two Georgia Senate seats went up for grabs, and then to a runoff.
It was clear then that the seats would be spilt, in the end. WHAT HAPPENED????
The democrats CHEATED. They brought in voters from all over the country to vote in the runoff.
They had DEAD PEOPLE voting.
Still do
Nothing; just another one of your out of your a** claims like BLM's $1 billion stash.
Moscow Mitch and most Republican strategists think the Republicans lost the runoffs because of Trump's baseless claims:
"senior Republicans are in near universal agreement that Trump’s relentless, two-month assault on voting processes around the nation and in Georgia played a major role in the party’s twin defeats in the state."
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/06/mcconnell-blames-trump-georgia-455657
A more logical theory than your fact free one.
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@sonhouse saidIs that a fact...? "alternative universe"??
@Earl-of-Trumps
Right, MILLIONS of dead people voted and that is why Biden is POTUS.
You live in an alternate universe where you are in and out of ours.
You should push the back button so you are in your own little universe.
https://www.helleniscope.com/2020/11/05/voter-fraud-is-nothing-new-the-1960-election-of-jfk/
Voter Fraud Is Nothing New: The 1960 Election of JFK
EDITOR’S NOTE (Nick Stamatakis): Tons of articles and many books have been written on the famous 1960 election whereby JFK won by 113,000 votes out of 68 million ballots cast. The majority of the questions raised had to do with the Chicago Mafia and especially the corrupt Mayor Richard Daly, among the first in a long line of generational corruption (mostly in the infamous Chicago democrat party circles) which continues to this day. Anyone who came out of the Chicago democrat party machine is necessarily affected… Should I remind the audience of any names? Many come to mind… But was the election stolen from Nixon using Mayor Daly’s machine? And how and where were recounts performed? History is always teaching us lessons…
Taking Chicago gave Kennedy the electoral votes of Illinois. And I can tell you, that the democrats
that election also took Las Vegas, giving Kennedy the electoral votes of Nevada.
Together, those electoral votes took the election from Nixon and gave it to Kennedy.
What, sonhouse,,, you think the Democrats *forgot* how successful they were and how they never got caught?
Please!! you're the one in and out of this universe, duper boy.
@earl-of-trumps saidObviously, you didn't read the article. As to Illinois:
Is that a fact...? "alternative universe"??
https://www.helleniscope.com/2020/11/05/voter-fraud-is-nothing-new-the-1960-election-of-jfk/
Voter Fraud Is Nothing New: The 1960 Election of JFK[i]
EDITOR’S NOTE (Nick Stamatakis): Tons of articles and many books have been written on the famous 1960 election whereby JFK won by 113,000 votes out of 68 million ...[text shortened]... re and how they never got caught?
Please!! you're the one in and out of this universe, duper boy.
"Completed Dec. 9, the recount of 863 precincts showed that the original tally had undercounted Nixon’s (and Adamowski’s) votes, but only by 943, far from the 4,500 needed to alter the results. In fact, in 40 percent of the rechecked precincts, Nixon’s vote was overcounted. Displeased, the Republicans took the case to federal court, only to have a judge dismiss the suits. Still undeterred, they turned to the State Board of Elections, which was composed of four Republicans, including the governor, and one Democrat. Yet the state board, too, unanimously rejected the petition, citing the GOP’s failure to provide even a single affidavit on its behalf. "
Seems like being sore losers is a right wing tradition.
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@wildgrass saidSorry, late getting back.
Not trolling I am seriously asking for clarification. What do you mean by the words 'allowing' and 'open borders' and 'all people'? These are cable news talking points, but the words don't mean anything without context. There were specific policy changes between prior and current administrations right? If we want to properly debate this, what specifically has changed policy-wise with the current administration that has changed the game?
Clear the air for a moment. We are a sovereign nation, with borders. THERE CAN BE NO NATION IF THE NATION DOES NOT HAVE BORDERS. It follows that a nation is made up of citizens. It follows that the citizens, the OWNERS of the nation, have every right to decide who can come into this country, hopefully people of merit who will not FEED on our resources.
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE WELFARE STATE AND OPEN BORDERS AT THE SAME TIME.
My apologies for caps, they are not meant for the way they appear, am just setting a couple parameters. If you would like to discuss this, and your paragraph above, I would like for you to weigh in on these 2 points so we start out on a level playing field? Please? Can't wait. Sincerely, AvgJoe.
PS: Please take note that Delta gets to decide (with ID proof) who gets on their planes, and Pelosi gets to decide who can pass through the gates/walls of her mansion. So, that logic should follow with your take on my queries above???? I BEG you to not go far afield.
@averagejoe1 saidThe citizens of the nation rejected the policies that you espouse last November. They did not support an administration determined to reduce all immigration, legal or illegal, nor did they condone harsh, inhuman treatment of those applying for asylum at the border.
Sorry, late getting back.
Clear the air for a moment. We are a sovereign nation, with borders. THERE CAN BE NO NATION IF THE NATION DOES NOT HAVE BORDERS. It follows that a nation is made up of citizens. It follows that the citizens, the OWNERS of the nation, have every right to decide who can come into this country, hopefully people of merit who will not FEED on ...[text shortened]... o, that logic should follow with your take on my queries above???? I BEG you to not go far afield.
The present elected administration should be given some time to implement policies consistent with the wishes of the American People.
@no1marauder saidHow about the policies that Trump had neatly in place. Why do Libs always want to change everything?
The citizens of the nation rejected the policies that you espouse last November. They did not support an administration determined to reduce all immigration, legal or illegal, nor did they condone harsh, inhuman treatment of those applying for asylum at the border.
The present elected administration should be given some time to implement policies consistent with the wishes of the American People.
@no1marauder -
They did not support an administration determined to reduce all immigration, legal or illegal,
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Man can you tell some whipper lies. 🙄