@Suzianne saidI think that is the goal, to do it retro. The closer we get to a full on dictatorship the closer we will be to a real retro birthright crisis and the first thing would be dictators do is first to start deportations of whatever race or color de jour they want to press and to make it seem the new normal,
I'm not sure it would take effect retroactively.
Rachel Maddow and Timothy Snyder (author of 'On Tyranny', a guidebook from lessons learned in the twentieth century about how to respond to the rise of authoritarians. It was an eye opening event, two hours on MSNOW, formerly MSNBC.
It was a lifting show saying we need to do actions against authoritarians which like democracy itself, one vote matters and one voice against would be dictators gathers like minded people BEFORE the would be dictators get to pass some threshold to actual dictatorships and one point Snyder made was our country with so many divisions would be somewhat safer than a unified country like Germany, I see it like a low level of genetic diversity which means at some point some new virus or bacteria that targets the weak points of such poor genetic diversity means it can sweep through an entire population and the cure for that is widely diverse gene pool where some pathogen comes along, maybe it kills ten percent but not like a limited gene pool where the entire population is under threat from some virus, so in that regard, a political movement composed of people who just come together, makes a strong incentive to gather together in ever growing resistance movements.
THAT would be dictators HATE.
@no1marauder saidDon't worry, a sociopath like Average Joe1 will ALWAYS twist the words of authorities on many subjects like climate change caused by mankind besides such issues as birthright citizenship, BIG NO NO's to those kind of folks and Joe follows right behind Trump passing every test for being in fact a sociopath, ZERO empathy for one, ALWAYS an enemy within and immigrants MASSIVELY invading our country and the like.
"Alien enemies" refers to actual troops of an occupying power, not immigrants" " children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation". Read the decision; it is right wing propaganda that you have talked yourself into to refers to immigrants as "invaders" - such a use would have been met with incredulity by the authors of the Constitution and the 14th Amendment.
...[text shortened]... onquest[/b] are still aliens". https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/28/99/#155 at 28 US 156
Don't know if you watched the Rachel Maddow special tonight, Dec. 12 Friday, with Timothy Snyder, author of 'On Tryanny' a short book of the 20 odd lessons learned about how to stop would be dictators before they achieve critical mass.
Held in Chicago where those folks gave us some peaceful tools like the whistle blowers, LITERAL whistle blowers who blew their whistles to warn the population ICE BARBARIANS were in town.
Among a lot of other ways to defeat Trump in this instance, and making the point the push to authoritarianism is not just one man, one person, but a cabal of hidden forces like Vought, Steve Miller and the like pushing their sinister agenda in Project 2025 so it is not necessary to JUST castigate Trump alone because even if Trump is out of the picture for whatever reason, the forces pushing him will still be there and THEY are also to be the target for resistance.
@sonhouse saidAnd you want chaos. You and Marauder want the usa to fail so you can ....what... What is your endgame?
OF COURSE a sociopath like you AND Trump would want to limit citizenship, an established law.
You want to rewrite history to jive with whatever Trump pukes out that day, Masked gestapo, you go "what's the big deal, we are under MASSIVE attacks by the worst of the worst, so that rationalizes you obsession with the border.
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@AverageJoe1 saidAdding in more productive, hard working people who want to raise their families is hardly a recipe for a country to "fail".
And you want chaos. You and Marauder want the usa to fail so you can ....what... What is your endgame?
Tossing them out for white nationalist reasons is. From David Bier at the right wing libertarian CATO Institute in response to Stephen Miller's demented interview on Fox News last week:
" Immigrants to the United States today are assimilating faster than prior generations. They are more likely to know English, more likely to have graduated college, are more economically productive, and more beneficial to government budgets than in the early 20th century. They have more experience with democracy than past waves of immigration, and they are more patriotic and more supportive of US institutions than the US-born. By the time they naturalize they have adopted almost the same political views, except for immigration policy. They are less likely to commit crimes and be incarcerated than those in the early 20th century. Immigrants today cost less to the health care system than the US-born. They are less likely to commit and be incarcerated for crimes than the US-born. Immigrants increase the returns to education for the US-born, leading more US-born to graduate. They make the US-born more productive, increasing their wages and living standards."
https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/11/politics/stephen-miller-trump-immigration-law-somalia
@no1marauder saidIts not as simple as that. Immigrants especially into the US have typically been
Adding in more productive, hard working people who want to raise their families is hardly a recipe for a country to "fail".
Tossing them out for white nationalist reasons is.
- a drain on welfare - some estimates put is as high as 45%
- a strain on the education system
- a liablity to the health care facilities
- a high remittance sector with as much as $80 US billion sent back home.
@no1marauder saidIn a nutshell , the THEY whom you speak of are vetted people approved for, among other things, being productive. We select them, Marauder, we don’t have them select us. So applying this logic to the crap that just turned your eyes brown, we can surmise that your post has no teeth.
Adding in more productive, hard working people who want to raise their families is hardly a recipe for a country to "fail".
Tossing them out for white nationalist reasons is. From David Bier at the right wing libertarian CATO Institute in response to Stephen Miller's demented interview on Fox News last week:
" Immigrants to the United States today are assimilating f ...[text shortened]... standards."
https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/11/politics/stephen-miller-trump-immigration-law-somalia
@AverageJoe1 saidOf course immigrants chose the country they want to immigrate to.
In a nutshell , the THEY whom you speak of are vetted people approved for, among other things, being productive. We select them, Marauder, we don’t have them select us. So applying this logic to the crap that just turned your eyes brown, we can surmise that your post has no teeth.
@AverageJoe1 saidNobody was vetted/selected under the Biden admin. They were simply allowed to walk in. This is why the American immigration is unique. Simply walking into another country is not the norm anywhere in the world.
In a nutshell , the THEY whom you speak of are vetted people approved for, among other things, being productive. We select them, Marauder, we don’t have them select us. So applying this logic to the crap that just turned your eyes brown, we can surmise that your post has no teeth.
@no1marauder saidImmigrants choose the most tolerant countries, who have the resources to feed, clothe, house them.
Of course immigrants chose the country they want to immigrate to.
@Rajk999 saidWhat "estimates"? Here's what the Congressional Budget Office says about the net effect of immigration on the US economy:
Its not as simple as that. Immigrants especially into the US have typically been
- a drain on welfare - some estimates put is as high as 45%
- a strain on the education system
- a liablity to the health care facilities
- a high remittance sector with as much as $80 US billion sent back home.
"The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates that the greater level of immigration expected between 2024 and 2034 will boost gross domestic product (GDP) by $8.9 trillion."
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/content/explainer-immigrants-and-us-economy
People are the greatest resource a country can have.
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@Rajk999 saidThat's BS. You believe in a lot of demented fairy tales. 3.7 million immigrants were removed, returned or expelled during the Biden administration. https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/breaking-down-the-immigration-figures/
Nobody was vetted/selected under the Biden admin. They were simply allowed to walk in. This is why the American immigration is unique. Simply walking into another country is not the norm anywhere in the world.
@Rajk999 saidImmigrants in the US work at a higher rate than the native born. From the US Bureau of Labor Statistics:
Immigrants choose the most tolerant countries, who have the resources to feed, clothe, house them.
"Foreign-born men continued to participate in the labor force at a considerably higher rate in 2024 (77.3 percent) than their native-born counterparts (65.9 percent). By contrast, 56.1 percent of foreign-born women were labor force participants, lower than the participation rate of 57.8 percent for native-born women. (See table 1.)"
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/forbrn.pdf
@no1marauder saidThat study takes in information from 25 years ago, prior to this mess created by Biden. In general, immigration that is controlled, taking in educated productive people who contribute to the economy is a plus. Otherwise it is a drain and a liability.
What "estimates"? Here's what the Congressional Budget Office says about the net effect of immigration on the US economy:
"The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates that the greater level of immigration expected between 2024 and 2034 will boost gross domestic product (GDP) by $8.9 trillion."
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/content/explainer-immigrants-and-us-economy
People are the greatest resource a country can have.
@no1marauder saidNo question about the potential immigrants coming here and helping us make America great again. The issue is about the immigrants coming here. You liberal sure can dodge. Or actually you cannot dodge. You can’t kid a kidder.
If you have 12 minutes to spare, a video of David Bier's testimony before the US Senate in September 2023 is here: https://www.cato.org/multimedia/media-highlights-tv/david-j-bier-testifies-hearing-unlocking-americas-potential-how-0
The only issue on the table is controlling immigrants come into our country, after we get everyone out of here that should not be here. That is the issue.