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  1. 09 Aug '13 12:56
    lets imagine america was split in two, north and south. the north given to the democrats and the south the republicans (people can relocate to which side they want to live).

    we then flash forward 100 years into the future. what would be the fate of these two nations? which would be the better country to live in?
  2. 09 Aug '13 13:00
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    lets imagine america was split in two, north and south. the north given to the democrats and the south the republicans (people can relocate to which side they want to live).

    we then flash forward 100 years into the future. what would be the fate of these two nations? which would be the better country to live in?
    In the end, I doubt there would be much of a difference.
    In fact, my guess is that the biggest difference would be that, at least in the near future, the south would have much better college football teams.
  3. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    09 Aug '13 13:21
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    lets imagine america was split in two, north and south. the north given to the democrats and the south the republicans (people can relocate to which side they want to live).

    we then flash forward 100 years into the future. what would be the fate of these two nations? which would be the better country to live in?
    The north would become an eternal paradise. The south would crack off and fall into the ocean, with much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
  4. 09 Aug '13 13:38
    The most likely outcome would be reunification of the two Americas.
  5. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    09 Aug '13 16:31
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    lets imagine america was split in two, north and south. the north given to the democrats and the south the republicans (people can relocate to which side they want to live).

    we then flash forward 100 years into the future. what would be the fate of these two nations? which would be the better country to live in?
    Who gets south Florida?
  6. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    09 Aug '13 16:36
    Originally posted by sh76
    Who gets south Florida?
    George Zimmerman
  7. 09 Aug '13 16:46
    Originally posted by sh76
    Who gets south Florida?
    south florida is turned over to the disney corporation to continue their evil research into destroying the souls of children, without having to worry about silly little things like laws.
  8. 09 Aug '13 16:47
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    The most likely outcome would be reunification of the two Americas.
    aww thats kinda nice, like an old couple that hate each others guts, but hate everybody elses guts even more.
  9. 09 Aug '13 17:40 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    lets imagine america was split in two, north and south. the north given to the democrats and the south the republicans (people can relocate to which side they want to live).

    we then flash forward 100 years into the future. what would be the fate of these two nations? which would be the better country to live in?
    Austin would be the West Berlin (i.e., an isolated part) of the North. The North could fly in food and clothing. Also secular books, science textbooks for the public schools, etc.
  10. 09 Aug '13 18:33 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    lets imagine america was split in two, north and south. the north given to the democrats and the south the republicans (people can relocate to which side they want to live).

    we then flash forward 100 years into the future. what would be the fate of these two nations? which would be the better country to live in?
    There are plenty of counter factual essays on what would have happened if the confederate south had successfully seceded from the union either peaceably or not. The ones I have seen suggest that European powers would have taken over one or both of the new nations in a short time.

    "Given to" seems to be implying that the dissolution is peaceable or at least leads to peace. My feeling is that disruption in the infrastructure and interwoven relationships e.g., trade and business and finance, would make the new nations vulnerable to international pressures from China and Japan, more than from Europe. The north would be of more interest to foreign powers and would have to form alliances more than would the south. The south would have a big problem with undocumented immigrants, possibly leading to a DMZ.

    The south also take a more isolationist stance than the north and would take a hard line on its domestic social issues, possibly leading to migration of persecuted groups to the north.

    California might split in half.
  11. 09 Aug '13 19:57
    Originally posted by JS357
    There are plenty of counter factual essays on what would have happened if the confederate south had successfully seceded from the union either peaceably or not. The ones I have seen suggest that European powers would have taken over one or both of the new nations in a short time.

    "Given to" seems to be implying that the dissolution is peaceable or at least ...[text shortened]... bly leading to migration of persecuted groups to the north.

    California might split in half.
    without the north would the south be able to keep a control over its religious urges. could they keep religion out of politics and science?
  12. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    09 Aug '13 19:58
    Originally posted by JS357
    There are plenty of counter factual essays on what would have happened if the confederate south had successfully seceded from the union either peaceably or not. The ones I have seen suggest that European powers would have taken over one or both of the new nations in a short time.

    "Given to" seems to be implying that the dissolution is peaceable or at least ...[text shortened]... bly leading to migration of persecuted groups to the north.

    California might split in half.
    Jesusland doesn't want Los Angeles.
  13. 09 Aug '13 20:22
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    without the north would the south be able to keep a control over its religious urges. could they keep religion out of politics and science?
    I'd expect a constitutional convention to occur, form some sort of union (confederation?) or treaty alliance between the states. Whatever motivations led them to split from the north would obviously be stronger than they are now. Those motivations would define the union. Specifically, I'd expect the south to leave it to each state to define the role of religion in state governance and public education, although how the nation replaced the first amendment would be really important. What do you think?
  14. 10 Aug '13 00:18
    Originally posted by JS357 to stellspalfie
    There are plenty of counter factual essays on what would have happened if the confederate south had successfully seceded from the union either peaceably or not. The ones I have seen suggest that European powers would have taken over one or both of the new nations in a short time.

    "Given to" seems to be implying that the dissolution is peacea ...[text shortened]... bly leading to migration of persecuted groups to the north.

    California might split in half.
    "C.S.A.: the Confederate States of America" is a 2004 satirical film
    based upon the premise that the CSA won its independence.
  15. 10 Aug '13 01:21 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    lets imagine america was split in two, north and south. the north given to the democrats and the south the republicans (people can relocate to which side they want to live).

    we then flash forward 100 years into the future. what would be the fate of these two nations? which would be the better country to live in?
    All I know is that the left would never allow it. It would destroy them to know that their system was not the best. Competition is forbidden in leftist ideologies for that very reason. The only way it works is to make everyone on the face of the planet like themselves.