@Suzianne saidSilly goose, I mention France and Mex together in post number 3 of this thread.
Both, you utter imbecile.
Actually, France has quasi-birthright citizenship.
If the baby remains in France for 5 years, it gets citizenship. He/she can also gain automatic citizenship at 18, if they are currently living in France, and at age 13 by declaration. All this applies only if the child were born in France.
With both parents US citizens, it would have US c ...[text shortened]... ddenly changed your hypothetical from Mexico to France. You probably looked all this up in advance.
Libs can get hot under the collar.
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@AverageJoe1 saidIt is possible to have dual citizenship in Germany. It is just not easy to get a German citizenship without renouncing your fromer nationality.
Germany, Netherlands, Austria and Norway, our countries that make it very impossible, and certainly do not automatically recognize dual citizenship. Yes France, which was my example provides for it, but let’s say my daughter is born in a country that does not allow dual citizenship. What a mess.
Edit: Actually I know a US-born (and raised by US citziens) US citizen who acquired German nationality and kept her US one.
@AverageJoe1 saidThe US law is that if you are born in that country, you are from that country.
Germany, Netherlands, Austria and Norway, our countries that make it very impossible, and certainly do not automatically recognize dual citizenship. Yes France, which was my example provides for it, but let’s say my daughter is born in a country that does not allow dual citizenship. What a mess.
It’s not fvcking hard to comprehend man.
If you live in Scotland, you can vote in Scottish elections and referenda. End of.
Whether you think it’s a great idea or not does not matter. That’s the fvcking law.
You don’t kill civilians. That’s a fvcking law too.
ADHERE TO THEM YOU MORON!
@AverageJoe1 saidI happen to have dual citizenship, with France and the US. My father, a US citizen, married my mother, a French citizen. This was in early 1945, during WW2.
Would SOMEONE comment on this? RHP pays me big bucks for brain teasers, but I will not charge them for this one, as it is a slam dunk.
I was born in September of that year in France. Since my mother was a french citizen, I was a french citizen. My father obtained a consular report of birth from the US embassy in France for me, and so I also was a US citizen.
My father was in the US army and we remained in France and Germany until the end of 1948. When my father was discharged we left Europe and returned to the US.
My mother obtained a US citizenship a few years later. I do not think she had to give up her french citizenship when she bacame a US citizen, but do not know that for sure. But to the best of my knowledge I still have a duel citizenship.
I don't know if this adds anything useful to your thread, but just thought I would mention it.
@shavixmir saidWhat!??!?? Do not you liberals have bumper stickeres and those stupid signs which say 'QUESTION AUTHORITY!!!!!!!!!"" Of course, you certainly do, Yet you tell us here to Adhere To The Law and shut my mouth??? Hey I question the authority of that law. Some countries allow dual citizenship, some don't, so it is not faaaaaiiiir. eg, Unequal obligations. A child grows up in usa with possible burden that could be put on him in France as a citizen. Ehich country controls legally? How does a 3rd country regard which is the major country of the person? Can he pick one to avoid some obligation? Could someone who does not even LIVE in France get the benefits of healthcare access or education?? It is an unearned advantage to migrant wretches who have to go through the years-long hassle of. becoming a citizen.
The US law is that if you are born in that country, you are from that country.
It’s not fvcking hard to comprehend man.
If you live in Scotland, you can vote in Scottish elections and referenda. End of.
Whether you think it’s a great idea or not does not matter. That’s the fvcking law.
You don’t kill civilians. That’s a fvcking law too.
ADHERE TO THEM YOU MORON!
You libs cannot see past your noses.
@mwmiller saidA simple honest question. You thus have TWO countries of loyalty. We go to war with France. How do you choose, how can you be trusted, etc etc
I happen to have dual citizenship, with France and the US. My father, a US citizen, married my mother, a French citizen. This was in early 1945, during WW2.
I was born in September of that year in France. Since my mother was a french citizen, I was a french citizen. My father obtained a consular report of birth from the US embassy in France for me, and so I also was ...[text shortened]... p.
I don't know if this adds anything useful to your thread, but just thought I would mention it.
A better question....if both countries have welfare programs, do you get to enjoy all 100% of the benefits of each country?
Or, if you hate Trump as a France and USA citizen, can you while living 100% in France vote in USA election to affect getting rid of Trump? Then vote for Macron? Huh?
@AverageJoe1 saidAnd here is an honest answer.
A simple honest question. You thus have TWO countries of loyalty. We go to war with France. How do you choose, how can you be trusted, etc etc
My only loyalty is to the US, and always has been, since I have lived almost my entire life here. I have never claimed to be loyal to both countries.
(As far as I know my french citizenship has not been revoked.)
@mwmiller saidYou speak of you. I believe you. You are a great American.
And here is an honest answer.
My only loyalty is to the US, and always has been, since I have lived almost my entire life here. I have never claimed to be loyal to both countries.
(As far as I know my french citizenship has not been revoked.)
What is your take on the Nevasta/soti (wife) from Romania on vacation at the Grand Canyon, has a baby just when she climbs back up to the viewing platform. Is the baby a citizen of the United States??,,,,,she leaves on Saturday for home.....with the baby.
I thought this is interesting. Why don't they do the birthright citizenship? Why do we?
Roughly 30 to 35 countries out of nearly 200 worldwide have unrestricted, automatic birthright citizenship (jus soli), meaning the vast majority—over 160 countries—do not have such a policy. Most nations, particularly in Europe, Asia, and Africa, rely on jus sanguinis (right of blood), where citizenship is inherited from parents.
PBS
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@AverageJoe1 saidHow about Chief Justice Robert's take:
You speak of you. I believe you. You are a great American.
What is your take on the Nevasta/soti (wife) from Romania on vacation at the Grand Canyon, has a baby just when she climbs back up to the viewing platform. Is the baby a citizen of the United States??,,,,,she leaves on Saturday for home.....with the baby.
"In a separate line of questioning, Roberts challenged Sauer’s emphasis on the problem of “birth tourism,” asking him how common it actually is. Sauer acknowledged that “no one knows for sure” how widespread it is. Roberts then asked Sauer whether he agreed that, in any event, any problems that birth tourism might pose would have “no impact on the legal analysis before us.” Birth tourism, Roberts suggested, certainly wasn’t a problem when the 14th Amendment was ratified in the 19th century.
Sauer countered that we are living in a “new world.” But that prompted Roberts to respond that, although we may have a “new world,” we have “the same Constitution.”
https://www.scotusblog.com/2026/04/supreme-court-appears-likely-to-side-against-trump-on-birthright-citizenship/
@no1marauder saidYou too avoid the question. It is about a random woman on a 10 day vacation to the Grand Canyon who goes back to her country with the child that just became an American citizen by being at the Grand Canyon. I was asking your take on that.
How about Chief Justice Robert's take:
"In a separate line of questioning, Roberts challenged Sauer’s emphasis on the problem of “birth tourism,” asking him how common it actually is. Sauer acknowledged that “no one knows for sure” how widespread it is. Roberts then asked Sauer whether he agreed that, in any event, any problems that birth tourism might pose would have ...[text shortened]... scotusblog.com/2026/04/supreme-court-appears-likely-to-side-against-trump-on-birthright-citizenship/
You know that that is absolutely ridiculous on the face of it, but you defend it. Pitiful lemming. You do not even know what you are defending.
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@AverageJoe1 saidI don't see the problem to be honest.
You too avoid the question. It is about a random woman on a 10 day vacation to the Grand Canyon who goes back to her country with the child that just became an American citizen by being at the Grand Canyon. I was asking your take on that.
You know that that is absolutely ridiculous on the face of it, but you defend it. Pitiful lemming. You do not even know what you are defending.
More citizens is a good thing.
@no1marauder saidMan that is good analogy material. Good intentions can lead to Disaster.
I don't see the problem to be honest.
More citizens is a good thing.
Good intentions dont remove real-world limits—every system, whether it’s a lifeboat, a home, or a country, has a capacity where too much at once creates problems for everyone.
Just how many people can you afford to keep moving into your house, just how many kids can a teacher teach in a classroom built for 30 people and folks keep showing up at the door.
You are a flippant fellow in your quest to load up the election system with more people, dependent people, like the dependent people that show up at your door. The breadwinner of the household can only afford to feed so many people.
@AverageJoe1 saidActually immigrants are a huge economic plus for any nation. And no country ever prospered by reducing its population.
Man that is good analogy material. Good intentions can lead to Disaster.
Good intentions dont remove real-world limits—every system, whether it’s a lifeboat, a home, or a country, has a capacity where too much at once creates problems for everyone.
Just how many people can you afford to keep moving into your house, just how many kids can a teacher teach in a clas ...[text shortened]... that show up at your door. The breadwinner of the household can only afford to feed so many people.
@no1marauder saidYou are correct. That is not the issue though. Why don’t you liberals who are always preaching fair, like one person should not make more money than another, you who preach fair will press for these illegals to become citizens, or these babies of a woman from Romania on vacation, becomes a citizen, but other immigrants have a tremendous road to go through before they can become a citizen. Period.
Actually immigrants are a huge economic plus for any nation. And no country ever prospered by reducing its population.
You see, that is very glaring to a conservative that you liberals pick and choose and put your head in the sand about the real problems. You are literally telling the honest immigrants that are in line that you don’t care about them, as you press on with your liberal agendas….. why, it makes me want to just throw up. !!!😡😡