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Originally posted by AThousandYoung" At a signal from the Principal the pupils, in ordered ranks, hands to the side, face the Flag. Another signal is given; every pupil gives the flag the military salute -- right hand lifted, palm downward, to a line with the forehead and close to it. Standing thus, all repeat together, slowly, “I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands; one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.” At the words, “to my Flag,” the right hand is extended gracefully, palm upward, toward the Flag, and remains in this gesture till the end of the affirmation; whereupon all hands immediately drop to the side.
The Hitler salute was the Roman salute - palm down. The American one was the Bellamy salute - palm up. However you're right; it was indeed changed due to this similarity.
—quoted from The Youth’s Companion, 65 (1892): 446–447.
from the wikipedia link posted earlier in the thread
edit: now i'm confused. Looks like the hand salute changes after the first few words of the pledge. I think it means the hand tilts up from it's previous flat position.
Originally posted by CoconutThis is the palm down military salute they refer to:
" At a signal from the Principal the pupils, in ordered ranks, hands to the side, face the Flag. Another signal is given; every pupil gives the flag the military salute -- right hand lifted, [b]palm downward, to a line with the forehead and close to it. Standing thus, all repeat together, slowly, “I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for wh ...[text shortened]... few words of the pledge. I think it means the hand tilts up from it's previous flat position.[/b]
http://www.midwaysailor.com/military/salute.jpg
From there the arm is extended with palm up.
I remember taking the Pledge everyday when I was in school. It was how we started everyday.
For a child it's kind of confusing .. but you just "go along 2 get along."
We all did.
I don't remember a single time that anyone objected to taking the Pledge daily. As children, we had no idea what it meant, but we didn't question it either.
It was a different time, a different place.
I/we were indoctrinated into the concept that we (USA) were a great Country and we were "pledging" ourselves to the State.
I took another Pledge when I joined the Military .. same concept, different Pledge.
I'll always honor that Pledge .. but that's just me.
They still indoctrinate children in our Public school system .. they just pledge themselves to a different mantra nowadays.
Originally posted by jammerI resented the Pledge, but didn't have the guts to say anything about it.
I remember taking the Pledge everyday when I was in school. It was how we started everyday.
For a child it's kind of confusing .. but you just "go along 2 get along."
We all did.
I don't remember a single time that anyone objected to taking the Pledge daily. As children, we had no idea what it meant, but we didn't question it either.
It was a different t ...[text shortened]... our Public school system .. they just pledge themselves to a different mantra nowadays.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungUnderstandable.
I resented the Pledge, but didn't have the guts to say anything about it.
In a way it's simular to the pressure put on children to covert or become part of a religion.
They get you really young and just download all these programs in your brain.
It's also normal for children to rebel against this type of thing if they are strong willed .. if they are able to listen to that little voice inside that gives the BS alert.
Back in my day we had these things we called parents and neighborhoods .. different time, different place.
Originally posted by jammerThe thing is, the only part I resented was the religious stuff that was added in the 50's. I've never had a problem declaring my allegience to the US of A.
Understandable.
In a way it's simular to the pressure put on children to covert or become part of a religion.
They get you really young and just download all these programs in your brain.
It's also normal for children to rebel against this type of thing if they are strong willed .. if they are able to listen to that little voice inside that gives the BS a ...[text shortened]... ay we had these things we called parents and neighborhoods .. different time, different place.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungAgain, understandable.
The thing is, the only part I resented was the religious stuff that was added in the 50's. I've never had a problem declaring my allegience to the US of A.
Religion shouldn't be forced on anyone IMO .. the different religions should be taught at a higher level of education .. as an ellective.
The religion that children are indoctrinated into today in our school system doesn't even have a name .. it hinds behind intellectual BS.
It's the SP, PC, Cultural Marxism Critical Theory Religion .. you may think you haven't been indoctrinated .. I think you have.
You ARE a product of the Calif. School System .. right?
Originally posted by CoconutI pledge allegience (man, I can't even spell the word) to my dick.
Who even knows what these words mean without having to think it over? Who could answer if you asked them? Certainly not the schoolchildren that are forced to say it.
I was visiting a church club about a week ago and the adult commander was leading the K-6th graders in the Pledge to the American Flag. Once it was over, he said "Freeze." He then walked arou ...[text shortened]... d the hand over the heart salute after Hitler used what was our method, the hand straight out.
I pledge that I'll shag anything within shagging distance with a heartbeat...but even that can be discussed!
Originally posted by shavixmirAnd I always thought of you as being above patriotism, or matriotism, Shav.
I pledge allegience (man, I can't even spell the word) to my dick.
I pledge that I'll shag anything within shagging distance with a heartbeat...but even that can be discussed!