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Originally posted by CoconutFew people know that the original version was written by a socialist. The "under God" portion was added during the McCarthy era as a counter to "godless communism."
Who even knows what these words mean without having to think it over? Who could answer if you asked them? Certainly not the schoolchildren that are forced to say it.
I was visiting a church club about a week ago and the adult commander was leading the K-6th graders in the Pledge to the American Flag. Once it was over, he said "Freeze." He then walked arou ...[text shortened]... d the hand over the heart salute after Hitler used what was our method, the hand straight out.
Originally posted by Coconutcoconut, long time no see. how ya doin?
Who even knows what these words mean without having to think it over? Who could answer if you asked them? Certainly not the schoolchildren that are forced to say it.
I was visiting a church club about a week ago and the adult commander was leading the K-6th graders in the Pledge to the American Flag. Once it was over, he said "Freeze." He then walked arou ...[text shortened]... d the hand over the heart salute after Hitler used what was our method, the hand straight out.
Originally posted by jammer2007: and now it's Global Warming!
Understandable.
In a way it's simular to the pressure put on children to covert or become part of a religion.
They get you really young and just download all these programs in your brain.
It's also normal for children to rebel against this type of thing if they are strong willed .. if they are able to listen to that little voice inside that gives the BS a ...[text shortened]... ay we had these things we called parents and neighborhoods .. different time, different place.
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Integrated school's (or the one in my town and a few others i heard of) in Northern Ireland used to try and get rid of their catholic pupils by making the school sing "God save the queen" and reprimanding anyone who refused. Slightly worse especially considering at the time about 20 years ago reprimanding could consist of a whack with a rather stiff stick
Originally posted by CoconutAnyone who pledges allegiance to a flag, a country or a religion is a nasty pervert who should be dragged out and shot before he (or she) screws up our world completely.
Who even knows what these words mean without having to think it over? Who could answer if you asked them? Certainly not the schoolchildren that are forced to say it.
I was visiting a church club about a week ago and the adult commander was leading the K-6th graders in the Pledge to the American Flag. Once it was over, he said "Freeze." He then walked arou ...[text shortened]... d the hand over the heart salute after Hitler used what was our method, the hand straight out.
I would not fight for my government if I found them morally wrong.
I would not fly my country's flag, if it represented something I did not agree with.
I would not support my religion if I didn't agree with their teachings.
Morality and humanity. That's what these blabbering morons should be forced to pledge allegiance to.
Originally posted by shavixmirSo you're saying that you're not the kind of guy that will take one for the team?
Anyone who pledges allegiance to a flag, a country or a religion is a nasty pervert who should be dragged out and shot before he (or she) screws up our world completely.
I would not fight for my government if I found them morally wrong.
I would not fly my country's flag, if it represented something I did not agree with.
I would not support my relig ...[text shortened]... y and humanity. That's what these blabbering morons should be forced to pledge allegiance to.
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Originally posted by Sam The ShamIt's amazing that your solution to problems in America is to leave. Yet you're still around (I assume)? Guess America's perfect then, right?
Anybody don't like their kids saying the pledge of allegiance, go somewhere else and take the pledge there. Then get back to us on how great it is in your new country.
I was in grade school in the late 60s and never HAD to say the pledge. I do remember, however, in 1974 my adv. algebra/trig teacher insisted on starting the class with a prayer. I was pretty sure that was unconstitutional, but hey, this is South Carolina. We don't need no stinkin' Constitution!
To get back to the original thread, I would NOT like to be told that I MUST recite the pledge, anymore than I'd like to be told I HAD to say anything. Pledging to a piece of cloth on a pole does not move me, but for those who want to, have at it.