Originally posted by eatmybishopa) No. There would still be people who would deny that the proof is real.
let's just say that somehow god proves he is real and every word of the bible is true, do you think:
a) humanity would change overnight?
b) it is the only way all of mankind would change for the better?
b) No. If I thought that was the only way all of mankind would change for the better then this world is a whole lot more depressing.
Originally posted by eatmybishopThis is probably overkill and I can already hear a chorus of voices welling up saying take it to spirituality, but.......only because some people have a problem with things taken out of context, I thought I would leave an aspect of your question and Christ’s response to it, highlighted within the context of a debate brought to him by the religious leaders of his day. It not only deals with questions over divine authority but also obliquely the likelihood of that belief changing a persons perspective.
let's just say that somehow god proves he is real and every word of the bible is true, do you think:
a) humanity would change overnight?
b) it is the only way all of mankind would change for the better?
Enjoy. Mathew 12: 22-45
22Then was brought unto Him one possessed with a devil, blind and dumb; and He healed him, so that the blind and dumb both spoke and saw.
23And all the people were amazed and said, "Is not this the Son of David?"
24But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, "This fellow doth not cast out devils, except by Beelzebub, the prince of devils."
25And Jesus knew their thoughts and said unto them, "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand.
26And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then shall his kingdom stand?
27And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges.
28But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the Kingdom of God is come unto you.
29Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house and despoil his goods, unless he first bind the strong man? And then he will despoil his house.
30"He that is not with Me is against Me, and he that gathereth not with Me scattereth abroad.
31Therefore I say unto you, all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men, but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
33Either make the tree good and his fruit good, or else make the tree corrupt and his fruit corrupt; for the tree is known by his fruit.
34"O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
35A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things; and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36But I say unto you that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the Day of Judgment.
37For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."
38Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, "Master, we would see a sign from thee."
39But He answered and said unto them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign, and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonah.
40For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41The men of Nineveh shall rise in the Judgment with this generation and shall condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and behold, a greater than Jonah is here.
42The queen of the south shall rise up in the Judgment with this generation and shall condemn it, for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
43"When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44Then he saith, `I will return into my house from whence I came out.' And when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation."
Originally posted by eatmybishop(a) Perhaps, most would repent but others would flat out deny him.
let's just say that somehow god proves he is real and every word of the bible is true, do you think:
a) humanity would change overnight?
b) it is the only way all of mankind would change for the better?
(b) If everyone repented and followed Christ yes it would.
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Originally posted by eatmybishopa) no
let's just say that somehow god proves he is real and every word of the bible is true, do you think:
a) humanity would change overnight?
b) it is the only way all of mankind would change for the better?
and
b) no
we live in an highly industrialized and classist society, where its members are told what to do, how to do it, what to think, how to act, etc.
Originally posted by eatmybishopWhat an odd post! The Bible? And then people are pitching in with stuff about "Christ". In my experience, if those are your terms of reference for God it is most likely impossible to have a reasonable discussion with you. "Make way! Make way! I'm a qualified Christian - I can quote the verses". It's like: Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Animists - you can all go and boil your bums for a bit - we are going to really talk about God here.
let's just say that somehow god proves he is real and every word of the bible is true, do you think:
a) humanity would change overnight?
b) it is the only way all of mankind would change for the better?
Originally posted by FMFSome religions are inclusive; some are by definition narrow or "closed". Christianity teaches that there is ONE and only ONE way to salvation--Jesus Christ. This doesn't make Christians intolerant--just assured that the "Way is narrow". I'm Christian and I defend your right to believe whatever false doctrine you wish. Just don't condemn me for my faith.
What an odd post! The Bible? And then people are pitching in with stuff about "Christ". In my experience, if those are your terms of reference for [b]God it is most likely impossible to have a reasonable discussion with you. "Make way! Make way! I'm a qualified Christian - I can quote the verses". It's like: Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, An ...[text shortened]... n all go and boil your bums for a bit - we are going to really talk about God here.[/b]