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What type of music would he be into?
He is widely recognized as one of the most gifted prodigy musicians ever. Now imagine he were living in a time when Drake gets #1 hit singles with vapid and uncreative garbage by saying "yeah" and "jeez" over and over again to a monotonous bass beat. If Mozart lived now what kind of music would he create?
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What type of music would he be into?
He is widely recognized as one of the most gifted prodigy musicians ever. Now imagine he were living in a time when Drake gets #1 hit singles with vapid and uncreative garbage by saying "yeah" and "jeez" over and over again to a monotonous bass beat. If Mozart lived now what kind of music would he create?
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@wildgrass saidIf you think on it.....Stravinsky, Bernstein,
What type of music would he be into?
He is widely recognized as one of the most gifted prodigy musicians ever. Now imagine he were living in a time when Drake gets #1 hit singles with vapid and uncreative garbage by saying "yeah" and "jeez" over and over again to a monotonous bass beat. If Mozart lived now what kind of music would he create?
The Gershwins weren't centuries ago.......
Maybe not Mozart but, it's apples and oranges
Van Gogh, vs Renoir?
Lichtenstein vs Warhol ?
It's all relative is it not?
@jimm619 saidI've been thinking on it. Thus the reason for the thread. Are you trying to say that Drake is a modern day Mozart? No thanks.
If you think on it.....Stravinsky, Bernstein,
The Gershwins weren't centuries ago.......
Maybe not Mozart but, it's apples and oranges
Van Gogh, vs Renoir?
Lichtenstein vs Warhol ?
It's all relative is it not?
Maybe to put it another way, what music is being made today that will stand up to historical tests of greatness in 200 years?
Someone mentioned jazz, but that was created by Buddy Boldin in 1890. Classic Rock, (except the Eagles, hopefully they're permanently forgotten), hip hop and now what? All pop music is now objectively terrible.
@wildgrass said"All pop music is now objectively terrible."
I've been thinking on it. Thus the reason for the thread. Are you trying to say that Drake is a modern day Mozart? No thanks.
Maybe to put it another way, what music is being made today that will stand up to historical tests of greatness in 200 years?
Someone mentioned jazz, but that was created by Buddy Boldin in 1890. Classic Rock, (except the Eagles, hopefully they're permanently forgotten), hip hop and now what? All pop music is now objectively terrible.
everything related to art is the opposite of "objective" 😀
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@zahlanzi saidI sense that you are being sarcastic but someone like Mozart would hardly fall into the rap-crap bullchit of today.
yeh, born in 1995, i am sure he is likely to love jazz 😀
kids in their 20's are very into jazz these days
He would be an innovator that is into musicianship, LIKE JAZZ, not shouting obscene lyrics and hopping around yelling about bustin' caps and killin' cops, etc.
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@zahlanzi saidThere are standards and criteria for judging and evaluating art. Critics build consensus. Despite some disagreements, an overwhelming number of movie critics like The Godfather, therefore it is objectively a good movie.
"All pop music is now objectively terrible."
everything related to art is the opposite of "objective" 😀
Drake is objectively bad art. Every song on Drake's Certified Lover Boy topped the chart for weeks, despite most critics calling it "derivative", "boring", and "uninspired".
Funny recent SNL sketch about how the "Black Eyed Peas" came up with their song "I gotta feeling". What feeling? "Let's do it. and do it." One of the producers ask Fergie to sing about actual people in some actual places and she just keeps saying "THE PEOPLE IN THE PLACE". That song was so darn popular but it's so ... bad.
@jj-adams said"I sense that you are being sarcastic but someone like Mozart would hardly fall into the rap-crap bullchit of today. "
I sense that you are being sarcastic but someone like Mozart would hardly fall into the rap-crap bullchit of today.
He would be an innovator that is into musicianship, LIKE JAZZ, not shouting obscene lyrics and hopping around yelling about bustin' caps and killin' cops, etc.
Really 😀 Mozart was just as much a product of his education and environment as was of his genetics.
There is no guarantee he would like the same things if he were born today. There is no guarantee he would even pickup an instrument ever. Talent must be recognized and cultivated.
Odds are better he would just plant himself in front of a tv, watch youtube all day
and maybe grow up to be an accountant or any other job.
Yes, i did notice you dismiss all rap as "obscene" and completely miss the point of it. I won't bother addressing it.
@wildgrass said"There are standards and criteria for judging and evaluating art"
There are standards and criteria for judging and evaluating art. Critics build consensus. Despite some disagreements, an overwhelming number of movie critics like The Godfather, therefore it is objectively a good movie.
Drake is objectively bad art. Every song on Drake's Certified Lover Boy topped the chart for weeks, despite most critics calling it "derivative", "boring ...[text shortened]... ong was so darn popular but it's so ... bad.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvUCEGcOCf0
Pff.
"Despite some disagreements, an overwhelming number of movie critics like The Godfather, therefore it is objectively a good movie."
It is objectively a good movie because a lot of people subjectively like it? 😀
"Drake is objectively bad art. "
Not according to the people who buy his albums and tickets to his concerts
"Every song on Drake's Certified Lover Boy topped the chart for weeks, despite most critics calling it "derivative", "boring", and "uninspired"."
Why is the critic's opinion more valued than the consumer's?
"That song was so darn popular but it's so ... bad."
Do you understand how this sentence just proves my point? It's popular (someone's opinion) but it's bad (your opinion). Do you understand how this brings us back to art is subjective? 😀 It depends on the one experiencing it, it depends on the era one is experiences it in, etc.
In the movie "Mona Lisa smile" an art teacher asks her class "What is art" and a student answers "The RIGHT people saying it's art". Is that what you think? You keep bringing up critics. Are they the authority ? Are they to declare what is art and what is not, what is good art and what is bad art? Is there an initiation, a quest one must embark on to be granted this responsibility, this power, to declare what is and isn't art?
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@wildgrass saidI'm not a classical buff, correct me if I'm wrong but,
I've been thinking on it. Thus the reason for the thread. Are you trying to say that Drake is a modern day Mozart? No thanks.
Maybe to put it another way, what music is being made today that will stand up to historical tests of greatness in 200 years?
Someone mentioned jazz, but that was created by Buddy Boldin in 1890. Classic Rock, (except the Eagles, hopefully they're permanently forgotten), hip hop and now what? All pop music is now objectively terrible.
wasn't Mozart widely criticized in his day....
I remember when 'The Beatles, arguably musical
geniuses in their own right, first arrived and received ridicule along
with mutterings of, ''shave their heads and send 'em back to England.''
Now I hear Beatles tunes in elevators.
.....Times change, tastes change...........We're still listening to the 'Great Musical Masters,' and, I predict we will still be listening to The Beatles in 200 years.
As far as Drake goes, I don't even know who that is....Wanna' tell me about when, ''Don't Worry Be Happy,' or ''Life Ain't Easy For a Pimp,'' won best songs?
As I said, it's all relative but greatness stands the test of time.....
.....There is no doubt that Mozart was a genius and, to me, Franz Liszt underrated.
@zahlanzi saidThis poster has REALLY had a bad day. Link him to a wonderful happy fairy tale please.
"There are standards and criteria for judging and evaluating art"
Pff.
"Despite some disagreements, an overwhelming number of movie critics like The Godfather, therefore it is objectively a good movie."
It is objectively a good movie because a lot of people subjectively like it? 😀
"Drake is objectively bad art. "
Not according to the people who buy his albums and t ...[text shortened]... one must embark on to be granted this responsibility, this power, to declare what is and isn't art?