Mozart would go where the money is. If he composed his (over 600) works today, it would not make him much money, in my opinion. The subject of another thread, maybe?
I would think he would figure out how to apply his genius to satisfy the masses, so that people like Jimmm and Suzianne would buy many tickets to his concerts. He would make millions!!!
Ahh, but what KIND of music? If we could figure that out, we would invest in the correct musicians to create it, we would pay them and Mozart good salaries, and pocket all the profits. Ole Moz'ie would think he was rich, but not as much as us investors!!
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@wildgrass saidHey, noted historians have already rated
There are standards and criteria for judging and evaluating art. Critics build consensus. Despite some disagreements, an overwhelming number of movie critics like The Godfather, therefore it is objectively a good movie.
Drake is objectively bad art. Every song on Drake's Certified Lover Boy topped the chart for weeks, despite most critics calling it "derivative", "boring ...[text shortened]... ong was so darn popular but it's so ... bad.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvUCEGcOCf0
TRUMP, 'the worst President in U.S history,
yet to their dismay, many people like him.
More amazing, despite 30,000 documented lies,
in just one term, PEOPLE STILL BELIEVE HIM.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-lies-false-presidency-b1790285.html
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@earl-of-trumps said''....Critics build consensus. Despite some disagreements, an overwhelming number of movie critics like The Godfather, therefore it is objectively a good movie.....''
Jimm, are you taking over for @Sonhouse - dragging Trump into the thread? Jeeeezis.
Anyway, @Jazz. Mozart would go Jazz.
Wildgrass noted criteria for universally good or bad....I followed with an example............... 😛
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@averagejoe1 saidThey didn't sell records, or have investors back then, they
Mozart would go where the money is. If he composed his (over 600) works today, it would not make him much money, in my opinion. The subject of another thread, maybe?
I would think he would figure out how to apply his genius to satisfy the masses, so that people like Jimmm and Suzianne would buy many tickets to his concerts. He would make millions!!!
Ahh, but ...[text shortened]... and pocket all the profits. Ole Moz'ie would think he was rich, but not as much as us investors!!
had Royal Patrons who commissioned them
to compose different works for different occasions.
@zahlanzi said
"There are standards and criteria for judging and evaluating art"
Pff.
"Despite some disagreements, an overwhelming number of movie critics like The Godfather, therefore it is objectively a good movie."
It is objectively a good movie because a lot of people subjectively like it? 😀
"Drake is objectively bad art. "
Not according to the people who buy his albums and t ...[text shortened]... one must embark on to be granted this responsibility, this power, to declare what is and isn't art?
It is objectively a good movie because a lot of people subjectively like it?
You write this sarcastically, but of course yes. Binary answers at the individual level yield quantifiable objective statistics on the overall artistic value.
Why is the critic's opinion more valued than the consumer's?
Because they are experts, not consumers. I wouldn't trust a pimpled high school junior for medical opinions either. Doctors provide more valuable opinions.
I was sure eventually this conversation would turn to "what is the definition of art?" The one i like the best is "it can be reliably distinguished from a random pattern".
In conclusion, Drake is bad art. Objectively.
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@averagejoe1 saidThey were allotted homes, studios,
Nevertheless, he only made a good wage or commission....didn't make what our musicians make today.
necessities of life and were generally treated as
royalty themselves.....maybe the genesis of the word, .royalty
These people were 'The Rock Stars' of their day.
The same may be said for the artisans and craftsmen
who were were supported by Aristocrats and Royalty
You know.....'Big Government.'.
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@jimm619 saidHaha @ "noted historians".
Hey, noted historians have already rated
TRUMP, 'the worst President in U.S history,
yet to their dismay, many people like him.
More amazing, despite 30,000 documented lies,
in just one term, PEOPLE STILL BELIEVE HIM.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-lies-false-presidency-b1790285.html
All of them uber lib dems with an agenda.
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@jj-adams saidIndependent historians....
Haha @ "noted historians".
All of them uber lib dems with an agenda.
Check it out, and then show me, ONE POLL, where TRUMP is rated near the top.....JUST ONE
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/historians-just-ranked-the-presidents-trump-wasnt-last/ar-AALDfKc
https://www.usnews.com/news/special-reports/the-worst-presidents/articles/how-historians-rate-presidents
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/presidents-ranked-worst-best/4/
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@averagejoe1 said''.....I saw that, it did not rate a response....''
I saw that, it did not rate a response. My granny, who is quite 'noted' in her circles, says canasta is better than bridge!
What, did you grow a pair in the meantime and opt to respond, Jo?
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Same old GOP story....Opinion but no FACTS...
Just show me a poll where TRUMP is rated a top President....
Can you do that?.....Didn't think so.
Opinions are just opinions and they're all different.
FACTS ARE FACTS..........AND THEY REMAIN THE SAME.
Personally, I prefer POKER. 😛