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12 Nov 07
12 Nov 07
Originally posted by AThousandYoungI guess it depends for what you'd be drafted for. I think that drafting civilians to fight a war in Middle East doesn't sound very realistic (nowadays).
If your government drafted you to fight in any of the number of wars in the Middle East, would you resist?
I don't know if I would or not to be honest. Probably not, but I'd protest while doing what they needed me to do. But who knows? Tough call.
12 Nov 07
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Originally posted by PalynkaImagine you woke up this morning to the news that Lisbon had been nuked by terrorists who claim to be Iranian agents (assuming you don't live in Lisbon). Iran of course denies it.
I guess it depends for what you'd be drafted for. I think that drafting civilians to fight a war in Middle East doesn't sound very realistic (nowadays).
Still seem so far fetched?
12 Nov 07
Originally posted by AThousandYoungAbsolutely - stratospherically far-fetched.
Imagine you woke up this morning to the news that Lisbon had been nuked by terrorists who claim to be Iranian agents (assuming you don't live in Lisbon). Iran of course denies it.
Still seem so far fetched?
Iran denying something does not make it a lie out of hand.
Who would be in charge of these imaginary nukes should Iran get them? Why would Iran wish to ensure their destruction by using nukes? Who would be reporting/hyping Iran's involvement in this attack on Lisbon? Would it be the same people who lied so baldly to precipitate an unneccessary war on Iraq - and whose lies changed every time the right-wing media started to belatedly point out the holes in their rationale? Would the sheeple obediently bleat behind those who have been crying wolf for so long ... again?
Regrettably, the last question's answer is depressingly obvious.
12 Nov 07
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungWell...yes... But I'll play along with it.
Imagine you woke up this morning to the news that Lisbon had been nuked by terrorists who claim to be Iranian agents (assuming you don't live in Lisbon). Iran of course denies it.
Still seem so far fetched?
If country X attempted an invasion, I'd say the case is pretty much clear cut. Drafting is necessary and I maybe I'd volunteer. I think I should.
If terrorists agents from X planted a nuke in Lisbon, I don't think war would be a priority for such a small country as ours (assuming it is known that their government was involved). Our capacity to strike on our own would be almost zero. I'm guessing if military action was decided, it'd be with our allies and with professionals. So I really doubt there would be drafting. There would be a lot of civil work to be done, though.
If it's not known that they had the support of the leaders of X, the case for drafting is even less clear cut.
Edit: Bottomline, drafting in this day and age of precision warfare seems limited to war on home soil. That's a pretty strong reason not to oppose it.
13 Nov 07
Yes, I would serve my country as needed. I definitely wouldn't want to be along side of all the yellow bellied draft dodgers trying to find a loophole to get out of doing what is right.
In my opinion all draft dodgers should be exiled and never be allowed to return to this country. If you are not willing to pay a price for freedom, you should not benefit from the rewards!!!
13 Nov 07
Originally posted by PinkFloydThey'll simply put you in a non combat unit, and if you refuse to go they will put you in jail for 2 years.
I handled it by registering as a conscientious objector. The days of regular folk goin' off to war just because a president (ANY president) asid so are lonnnng gone.
G.
13 Nov 07
Originally posted by smw6869If I was just a CO, yes; but I out-figured 'em. CO's are designated Y1 (or they used to be when my mother worked at the draft board--when we had a draft). But, if you're a CO: Non-combatant, then you refuse to support war in any capacity on moral/religious grounds, making you 4F--unfit for duty. 😀
They'll simply put you in a non combat unit, and if you refuse to go they will put you in jail for 2 years.
G.
Of course, all those designations may have changed in the last, what--35 years? But rest assured, I shall not be in or near any war zone, anywhere. If CO doesn't work, there are plenty of other outs.
13 Nov 07
Originally posted by PinkFloydLike Canada?
If I was just a CO, yes; but I out-figured 'em. CO's are designated Y1 (or they used to be when my mother worked at the draft board--when we had a draft). But, if you're a CO: Non-combatant, then you refuse to support war in any capacity on moral/religious grounds, making you 4F--unfit for duty. 😀
Of course, all those designations may have changed in ...[text shortened]... t be in or near any war zone, anywhere. If CO doesn't work, there are plenty of other outs.
13 Nov 07
Originally posted by torch71In that case the country isn't free in the first place if people are forced to do something because the government says it's "doing what's right".
Yes, I would serve my country as needed. I definitely wouldn't want to be along side of all the yellow bellied draft dodgers trying to find a loophole to get out of doing what is right.
In my opinion all draft dodgers should be exiled and never be allowed to return to this country. If you are not willing to pay a price for freedom, you should not benefit from the rewards!!!
13 Nov 07
Originally posted by mrstabbyThat's how I feel about it. If the people aren't willing to fight for their country, then maybe the country should fall. Conscription really bothers me.
In that case the country isn't free in the first place if people are forced to do something because the government says it's "doing what's right".