@sonhouse saidZero empathy? Ok
@Eladar
Spoken like someone with ZERO empathy, just like your god king. You could be Trump's long lost twin brother.
The problem is that unless you believe all age groups are dying at the same rate you are not empathetic.
I believe public policy measures should be based on fact, not fictional empathy.
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@kewpie saidIt feels like the military deployment is there for a reason; to keep the Australian people in order. Why are they needed if it’s just “a few” who are objecting or resisting?
I didn't say we ALL approved, I mentioned the objectors who make up a very small percentage of our population. I didn't mention, and perhaps I should have, that we have large groups of immigrants who may not understand our particularly confusing political messaging and may not even understand the community obligation to self-isolate if you have been in contact with a known ca ...[text shortened]... ers and the shock jocks and it would take a very gullible individual to accept media guff as gospel.
There is very some strong anti-lockdown sentiment in the UK, sometimes with thousands marching in protest in London, but no military presence is needed. Far from it.
@mercury saidAre you a conspiracy theorist?
It feels like the military deployment is there for a reason; to keep the Australian people in order. Why are they needed if it’s just “a few” who are objecting or resisting?
There is very some strong anti-lockdown sentiment in the UK, sometimes with thousands marching in protest in London, but no military presence is needed. Far from it.
"It feels like the military deployment is there for a reason" is just such an incredibly bizarre statement. If your neighbour helps fight your house fire while you're at work, do you think he's trying to terrorise your wife and kids?
This country is a real democracy. It's not America.
@eladar saidRight. If it's just the olds who are getting attacked, then the young and fit who take their vitamins should be allowed to own bears.
Zero empathy? Ok
The problem is that unless you believe all age groups are dying at the same rate you are not empathetic.
I believe public policy measures should be based on fact, not fictional empathy.
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@kewpie saidI’m an not a conspiracy theorist but I don’t like the idea of military being deployed to manage civilians, especially when it doesn’t appear to be necessary. I’m sorry that you think my previous post is incredibly bizarre.
Are you a conspiracy theorist?
"It feels like the military deployment is there for a reason" is just such an incredibly bizarre statement. If your neighbour helps fight your house fire while you're at work, do you think he's trying to terrorise your wife and kids?
This country is a real democracy. It's not America.
@mercury saidTo the average Australian, it doesn't cause anxiety to see a person in a uniform, whether it's blue or khaki. We haven't seen military deployed at home to control the populace since 1854, but we often see them helping with flood, fire and other natural disasters and they're always welcomed. They don't carry weapons, they're incredibly well-behaved and professional, and we honestly can't see them as a threat because they take their orders from the civilian authorities whenever they're deployed here, just as the Canadian and American firefighting crews do when they come to help out.
I’m an not a conspiracy theorist but I don’t like the idea of military being deployed to manage civilians, especially when it doesn’t appear to be necessary. I’m sorry that you think my previous post is incredibly bizarre.
When I said your post was bizarre and conspiracy theorist, I wasn't making allowances for the difference between our home environments and cultures, and I apologise for the language I used.
@Eladar
The answer to that is easy: You are an IDIOT. You CLAIM to know statistics but you clearly know ZERO about that subject. For instance, you take a single graph like the number of cases blowing up in Missouri and you said, well, just a small part of the state, COMPLETELY missing the point of TIME.
You vector in TIME and you will see a time before this crisis there were not that many infected then moving forward in time you see much more then moving even further in time and you see and explosion and soon the whole state is involved with hospitals overcrowded, over full, patients back in hallways.
Why don't you admit you don't teach ANYTHING much less math.
@eladar saidAustralia and New Zealand have both followed a strategy of "aggressive suppression" (effectively elimination) from the start, with widespread community approval. Young people move around more, so naturally they spread the virus more, than older cohorts. They don't die as often, but long-Covid affects them more.
If Australian numbers are similar to US numbers I do not see why there would be a lock-down on young people.
This is an entirely different approach to northern hemisphere countries.
These numbers from Worldometer's website may give you some comparisons. These are per-million figures which give a direct comparison.
Total cases per million population:
USA ___ 107,311
UK______ 85,783
AU_______ 1,332
NZ________ 574
Total deaths per million population:
USA_____ 1,889
UK______ 1,899
AU_________ 36
NZ__________ 5
When it's all over, our kids will still have their grandparents.
Maybe that's a reason we're mostly willing to tolerate lockdowns.
@kewpie saidYou really have no clue how many elderly people there are in the US. Only a very small percentage of grandparents have died from COVID.
Australia and New Zealand have both followed a strategy of "aggressive suppression" (effectively elimination) from the start, with widespread community approval. Young people move around more, so naturally they spread the virus more, than older cohorts. They don't die as often, but long-Covid affects them more.
This is an entirely different approach to northern hemisphere ...[text shortened]... ll still have their grandparents.
Maybe that's a reason we're mostly willing to tolerate lockdowns.
Most elderly deaths are from other things like Cancer, kidney failure and heart disease.
I suppose Australians do not die of those things.
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See the 2nd table comparing against total deaths
https://datavisualizations.heritage.org/public-health/covid-19-deaths-by-age/
85 and older
COVID 146 217
Other 955 720
Looks like people still died even when not by covid. As a matter of fact, a vast majority died from something other than covid.
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@eladar saidI won't debate this topic with someone who's just revealed a complete lack of rational thought in his last posts.
You really have no clue how many elderly people there are in the US. Only a very small percentage of grandparents have died from COVID.
Most elderly deaths are from other things like Cancer, kidney failure and heart disease.
I suppose Australians do not die of those things.