This is what was included in the Plea Deal, authored by Weiss, which caused the judge to throw them out of the courtroom. I am sure that all of you would find such immunity to be a little too much, given that Hunter is a repeat-offender type.
However, one of you has written that the judge was wrong and the plea deal did not do that at all.
Just thought I would set the record straight. Well, gotta check to see if the mailman has brought me a check today, and then off to the park.
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@averagejoe1 saidLink?
This is what was included in the Plea Deal, authored by Weiss, which caused the judge to throw them out of the courtroom. I am sure that all of you would find such immunity to be a little too much, given that Hunter is a repeat-offender type.
However, one of you has written that the judge was wrong and the plea deal did not do that at all.
Just thought I woul ...[text shortened]... t. Well, gotta check to see if the mailman has brought me a check today, and then off to the park.
No one said "the judge was wrong".
@averagejoe1 saidThe Plea Agreement is here: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000189-9524-dee7-a7ab-fd7d1d600000
This is what was included in the Plea Deal, authored by Weiss, which caused the judge to throw them out of the courtroom. I am sure that all of you would find such immunity to be a little too much, given that Hunter is a repeat-offender type.
However, one of you has written that the judge was wrong and the plea deal did not do that at all.
Just thought I woul ...[text shortened]... t. Well, gotta check to see if the mailman has brought me a check today, and then off to the park.
The Diversion Agreement is here: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000189-9524-df68-afbb-bdaf61fa0000
Paragraph 15 of the latter makes clear that the prosecutors are only waiving prosecution for any crimes mentioned in the Statement of Facts (which are the tax crimes and the failure to declare drug use on the pistol permit application). You will search in vain for the words "Immunity from Undiscovered Crimes"; I suspect Joe just heard it from one of his favorite right wing talking heads.
@no1marauder saidWell, there was this, and other comments, I was just paraphrasing the comments, which were implying that he should have gotten the deal, and not been kicked out. It is not that difficult to see.
Link?
No one said "the judge was wrong".
This was one of the comments. It does not exactly agree with the judge's actions.
There was no "sweetheart deal" granting Hunter Biden general immunity besides the tax and gun charges: that's a persistent right wing talking point that can charitably called a "myth".
In fact, the Plea Agreement doesn't even immunize Hunter Biden from further tax charges from the period 2014-2019. Paragraph 12 specifically states: "The parties further understand that should the Internal Revenue Service determine there are additional taxes due and owing for tax years 2014-19, they are not subject to the terms of this agreement".
@averagejoe1 saidThat's my comment and it doesn't state any disagreement with the judge.
Well, there was this, and other comments, I was just paraphrasing the comments, which were implying that he should have gotten the deal, and not been kicked out. It is not that difficult to see.
This was one of the comments. It does not exactly agree with the judge's actions.
There was no "sweetheart deal" granting Hunter Biden general immunity besides the tax and gun charges: that's a persistent right wing talking point that can charitably called a "myth".
@no1marauder saidThe comment 2 clicks up that I copied from a previous post is where you obviously take exception to the finding that there is said immunity. The judge said hold on, lawyers......what is this immunity all about.
That's my comment and it doesn't state any disagreement with the judge.
But you say there is 'no' immunity. Man can you parse some stuff. Geez 'o mighty....I bet you say Mississippi different than I do.
@averagejoe1 saidThe Judge questioned the prosecutor as to the scope of the immunity granted by the Plea Agreement, which is standard practice at a hearing regarding whether to accept a plea agreement. The prosecutor denied it granted any "general immunity" for any crimes outside of the Statement of Facts attached to the Plea Agreement and Diversion Agreement.
The comment 2 clicks up that I copied from a previous post is where you obviously take exception to the finding that there is said immunity. The judge said hold on, lawyers......what is this immunity all about.
But you say there is 'no' immunity. Man can you parse some stuff. Geez 'o mighty....I bet you say Mississippi different than I do.
That's what happened; the prosecutor never stated there was any "sweetheart deal" that granted Hunter Biden full immunity for any other crimes he has committed. Right wing media, and clowns like Jim Jordan's spokesman, have consistently falsely claimed there was.
The biggest problem the Judge had was the Diversion Agreement had her deciding whether Hunter Biden had violated the Plea Agreement in a hearing with a "preponderance of evidence" standard. That was unprecedented AFAIK; it seems that Biden's lawyers wanted that provision because the Diversion Agreement would last two years and they feared a different administration would arbitrarily declare Hunter in violation of the agreement.
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@no1marauder saidThe agreement limited to govt to crimes listed in the agreement, AND , prohibited charging for any other crimes not listed.
The Plea Agreement is here: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000189-9524-dee7-a7ab-fd7d1d600000
The Diversion Agreement is here: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000189-9524-df68-afbb-bdaf61fa0000
Paragraph 15 of the latter makes clear that the prosecutors are only waiving prosecution for any crimes mentioned in the Statement of Facts (which are the tax crimes and t ...[text shortened]... Undiscovered Crimes"; I suspect Joe just heard it from one of his favorite right wing talking heads.
There is where undiscovered comes in.
this explains it better…
https://waysandmeans.house.gov/republicans-launch-inquiry-into-sweetheart-hunter-biden-plea-deal/
@mott-the-hoople saidMott: AND , prohibited charging for any other crimes not listed.
The agreement limited to govt to crimes listed in the agreement, AND , prohibited charging for any other crimes not listed.
There is where undiscovered comes in.
No it didn't.
Find the language where it does so. In fact, it explicitly doesn't even grant immunity for further tax charges from the period 2014-19.
You've been fed lies.
@no1marauder saidno, YOU are lying, it explicitly limits to crimes listed.
Mott: AND , prohibited charging for any other crimes not listed.
No it didn't.
Find the language where it does so. In fact, it explicitly doesn't even grant immunity for further tax charges from the period 2014-19.
You've been fed lies.
@no1marauder said“In fact, it explicitly doesn't even grant immunity for further tax charges from the period 2014-19. ”
Mott: AND , prohibited charging for any other crimes not listed.
No it didn't.
Find the language where it does so. In fact, it explicitly doesn't even grant immunity for further tax charges from the period 2014-19.
You've been fed lies.
you answer a question no one asked
@mott-the-hoople saidParagraph 15 of the Diversion Agreement:
The agreement limited to govt to crimes listed in the agreement, AND , prohibited charging for any other crimes not listed.
There is where undiscovered comes in.
this explains it better…
https://waysandmeans.house.gov/republicans-launch-inquiry-into-sweetheart-hunter-biden-plea-deal/
"The United States agrees not to criminally prosecute Biden, outside of the terms of this Agreement, for any federal crimes encompassed by the attached Statement of Facts (Attachment A) and the Statement of Facts attached as Exhibit 1 to the Memorandum of Plea Agreement filed this same day."
Attachment A refers to his use of cocaine and making a false statement on his pistol purchase; Exhibit 1 refers to his failure to pay taxes.
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@mott-the-hoople saidOf course it doesn't.
no, YOU are lying, it explicitly limits to crimes listed.
Show me where; I gave the links. Specifically where it:
"prohibited charging for any other crimes not listed."
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@no1marauder said“This grant of immunity in the pretrial diversion agreement therefore not only covers the gun-related conduct addressed by the pretrial diversion agreement but also the entirely unrelated conduct covered by the plea agreement.”
Of course it doesn't.
Show me where; I gave the links. Specifically where it:
"prohibited charging for any other crimes not listed."
https://waysandmeans.house.gov/republicans-launch-inquiry-into-sweetheart-hunter-biden-plea-deal/
Para 15…
““Paragraph 15 of the pretrial diversion agreement states: ‘The United States agrees not to criminally prosecute Biden, outside of the terms of this Agreement, for any federal crimes encompassed by the attached Statement of Facts (Attachment A) and the Statement of Facts attached as Exhibit 1 to the Memorandum of Plea Agreement filed this same day.’ This grant of immunity in the pretrial diversion agreement therefore not only covers the gun-related conduct addressed by the pretrial diversion agreement but also the entirely unrelated conduct covered by the plea agreement