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@mott-the-hoople saidYour first quote is not from the agreement, but a hack Republican's fake interpretation of it.
“This grant of immunity in the pretrial diversion agreement therefore not only covers the gun-related conduct addressed by the pretrial diversion agreement but also the entirely unrelated conduct covered by the plea agreement.”
https://waysandmeans.house.gov/republicans-launch-inquiry-into-sweetheart-hunter-biden-plea-deal/
Para 15…
““Paragraph 15 of t ...[text shortened]... ial diversion agreement but also the entirely unrelated conduct covered by the plea agreement
Needless to say (but I'll say it anyway), the prosecution did not agree with such an interpretation. In fact in your own citation:
"In that regard, it was notable that Mr. Biden’s counsel stated at the hearing that it was his understanding that the immunity provision in the pretrial diversion agreement would preclude the Department from bringing charges against Mr. Biden under the Foreign Agents Registration Act. While the Department did not agree with that position,"
EDIT: Now that I look at it, it's even more limited. Smith's contention was:
"also the entirely unrelated conduct covered by the plea agreement."
So the immunity provisions only are in regard to what was in the Plea Agreement which was referring to the tax violations. Now there seems to have been a big brouhaha about whether such a provision should have been in the Plea Agreement rather than the Diversion Agreement, but either way it didn't grant a "general immunity" as Mott and right wing commentators keep falsely claiming.
@no1marauder saidI am just lurking your joist here, but is not an 'undiscovered crime (subject of OP)" the same as ';any crime not listed."?
Of course it doesn't.
Show me where; I gave the links. Specifically where it:
"prohibited charging for any other crimes not listed."
@averagejoe1 saidIt doesn't say "any crime not listed" either.
I am just lurking your joist here, but is not an 'undiscovered crime (subject of OP)" the same as ';any crime not listed."?
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@no1marauder saidthe way this was supposed to play out was they expected the judge would rubber stamp it, then later on down the road weiss could plead ignorance when it was figured out. The judge was too sharp for them.
Your first quote is not from the agreement, but a hack Republican's fake interpretation of it.
Needless to say (but I'll say it anyway), the prosecution did not agree with such an interpretation. In fact in your own citation:
"In that regard, it was notable that Mr. Biden’s counsel stated at the hearing that it was his understanding that the immunity provision in th ...[text shortened]... the Foreign Agents Registration Act. While the Department did not agree with that position,"
It is exactly like AJ said about immunity from undiscovered crimes, they used a little slight of hand by adding future crimes could be charged. They were going for any and everything biden has done up to this point, known and unknown with the immunity thing.Not just the two wrist slap charges. They had the wrong judge, not all are crooked.
You need to correct your response to AJ. because you are dead wrong.
@mott-the-hoople saidYour version is an idiotic, right wing conspiracy theory which even your source admits is BS.
the way this was supposed to play out was they expected the judge would rubber stamp it, then later on down the road weiss could plead ignorance when it was figured out. The judge was too sharp for them.
It is exactly like AJ said about immunity from undiscovered crimes, they used a little slight of hand by adding future crimes could be charged. They were going for ...[text shortened]... judge, not all are crooked.
You need to correct your response to AJ. because you are dead wrong.
Unlike you, I've actually read the documents and there is absolutely no truth to your assertions. The prosecutor was asked general questions virtually any judge would ask and answered consistently with what the DOJ's position has been all along. The fact that there was and is a continuing investigation into Hunter Biden besides the subject of this Plea Agreement makes such claims ridiculous.
@mott-the-hoople saidOne more time:
the way this was supposed to play out was they expected the judge would rubber stamp it, then later on down the road weiss could plead ignorance when it was figured out. The judge was too sharp for them.
It is exactly like AJ said about immunity from undiscovered crimes, they used a little slight of hand by adding future crimes could be charged. They were going for ...[text shortened]... judge, not all are crooked.
You need to correct your response to AJ. because you are dead wrong.
"Paragraph 15 of the Diversion Agreement:
"The United States agrees not to criminally prosecute Biden, outside of the terms of this Agreement, for any federal crimes encompassed by the attached Statement of Facts (Attachment A) and the Statement of Facts attached as Exhibit 1 to the Memorandum of Plea Agreement filed this same day."
no1: Attachment A refers to his use of cocaine and making a false statement on his pistol purchase; Exhibit 1 refers to his failure to pay taxes.
@no1marauder saidof course it is ongonig, the plea deal was rejected. 😂
From the DOJ's announcement of the Plea Agreement in the tax and gun cases:
"David C. Weiss, U.S. Attorney for the District of Delaware, made the announcement. The investigation is ongoing."
https://www.justice.gov/usao-de/pr/tax-and-firearm-charges-filed-against-robert-hunter-biden
From the transcript of the hearing after discussions off the record by the parties:
"THE COURT: All right. So the defense agrees
19 that the agreement not to prosecute only includes the time
20 period from 2014 to 2019, it only includes tax charges in
21 that time period, drug charges in that time period, and the
22 particular -- the firearms charges that relate to this
23 particular firearm?
24 MR. CLARK[Hunter Biden's lawyer] : Yes, Your Honor
https://media.marcopolousa.org/pdf/20230726hearingtranscript.pdf p. 58
Tell me about this "general immunity" again?
@mott-the-hoople saidThat was in the announcement of the plea deal on June 20th, moron.
of course it is ongonig, the plea deal was rejected. 😂
@no1marauder saidmarcopolo.com 😂
From the transcript of the hearing after discussions off the record by the parties:
"THE COURT: All right. [b]So the defense agrees
19 that the agreement not to prosecute only includes the time
20 period from 2014 to 2019, it only includes tax charges in
21 that time period, drug charges in that time period, and the
22 particular -- the firearms charges that relate ...[text shortened]... olousa.org/pdf/20230726hearingtranscript.pdf p. 58
Tell me about this "general immunity" again?
you are looking pretty weak my man lol
Look, the judge, numerous lawyers on tv dont see it like you, I think I will stick with MY reading of the document and the EXPERTS!
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@mott-the-hoople saidIt's the actual transcript of the hearing; I found it using a link from a Washington Examiner (a right wing rag) article. The site itself looks like a right wing conspiracy one (https://marcopolousa.org/) but hey if they have the transcript I'll use it.
marcopolo.com 😂
you are looking pretty weak my man lol
Look, the judge, numerous lawyers on tv dont see it like you, I think I will stick with MY reading of the document and the EXPERTS!
Any of your "experts" mention that exchange?
@no1marauder saidI have the words straight from the judge
It's the actual transcript of the hearing; I found it using a link from a Washington Examiner (a right wing rag) article. The site itself looks like a right wing conspiracy one (https://marcopolousa.org/) but hey if they have the transcript I'll use it.
Any of your "experts" mention that exchange?
@mott-the-hoople saidYou haven't quoted one word from the judge here.
I have the words straight from the judge
@mott-the-hoople said😲ne really wonders, when issues arise each day, and let's say that Suzianne or Marauder take exception to the rulings or the facts or the interpretations, they hold nothing back in disageeing with the 'experts' and great legal and journalistic minds who thresh it all out 24/7.
marcopolo.com 😂
you are looking pretty weak my man lol
Look, the judge, numerous lawyers on tv dont see it like you, I think I will stick with MY reading of the document and the EXPERTS!
A lot of people are still asking a lot of questions about the plea deal being kicked to the curb. Why is that? It is what it is, according to Marauder.