@shavixmir saidEven if it results in him getting a second term? If he behaves like that for an additional 4 years as President how does that help your cause?
It doesn’t matter if it helps or not.
You can’t stand by and let your president behave like that. There was no other option.
GW Bush committed war crimes and Pelosi did nothing. Didn't you watch the video?
@metal-brain saidEssentially they are damned if they do, damned if they don't. If they wouldn't have impeached, then it signals to Trump and any future president that such lawlessness and rampant corruption is tolerated, greatly imperiling the already severely weakened American republic. But now that they have chosen to impeach, it might just give Trump the edge to win re-election, which would also deal a devastating blow to America.
Even if it results in him getting a second term? If he behaves like that for an additional 4 years as President how does that help your cause?
GW Bush committed war crimes and Pelosi did nothing. Didn't you watch the video?
@earl-of-trumps saidMaybe she feels like there is a gun to her head with the radicals in the party run by AOC and she is simply using this to try and expunge them out of the party by giving them what they demand knowing it will do them in.
Pelosi has admitted that she is fully aware of the ramifications, good or bad, from impeachment.
Only the future can tell us for sure.
Na, scratch that, she's an idiot.
@kazetnagorra saidGW Bush committed war crimes and Pelosi did nothing. Does his lawlessness mean nothing to democrats? Why the double standard with another republican?
Essentially they are damned if they do, damned if they don't. If they wouldn't have impeached, then it signals to Trump and any future president that such lawlessness and rampant corruption is tolerated, greatly imperiling the already severely weakened American republic. But now that they have chosen to impeach, it might just give Trump the edge to win re-election, which would also deal a devastating blow to America.
Democrats are just moderate republicans. They are more alike than different.
@whodey saidLOL
Maybe she feels like there is a gun to her head with the radicals in the party run by AOC and she is simply using this to try and expunge them out of the party by giving them what they demand knowing it will do them in.
Na, scratch that, she's an idiot.
Maybe she just feared for her own job as Speaker. So she gave in.
It's not a "given' that the impeachment hurts Trump. Tempers cool in one year. people forget.
@metal-brain saidThere is an awful lot about Bush's war crimes that won't be spoken about except amongst pundits. Even Hilary signed on to the Iraq invasion. The dems know something, they all do. The House and Senate Intel committees have made all legislators aware of something that is being withheld from the public.
GW Bush committed war crimes and Pelosi did nothing. Does his lawlessness mean nothing to democrats? Why the double standard with another republican?
Democrats are just moderate republicans. They are more alike than different.
That's all I can say
@kazetnagorra saidDevastating? If he is a ‘devastator ‘, why isn’t there devastation right now🤔? He’s been at it for 3 years. What devastation? Please explain.
Essentially they are damned if they do, damned if they don't. If they wouldn't have impeached, then it signals to Trump and any future president that such lawlessness and rampant corruption is tolerated, greatly imperiling the already severely weakened American republic. But now that they have chosen to impeach, it might just give Trump the edge to win re-election, which would also deal a devastating blow to America.
@shavixmir saidA strongly worded censure would have probably been a better option.
It doesn’t matter if it helps or not.
You can’t stand by and let your president behave like that. There was no other option.
That way, you force Republicans to either condone his behavior or criticize it. With impeachment, you leave the plausible deniability of "it's bad, but not impeachable."
A censure would probably get large majorities in both houses and probably hurt Trump's re-election. Almost half of Americans think Trump should not be removed for the Ukraine scandal, but 70% think that the conduct was bad.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/18/poll-seventy-percent-trump-ukraine-actions-wrong/4227312002/
Reminding the people that Trump did something really bad, forcing all Republicans to tip their hands and showing restraint and respect for the electoral process at the same time would have been win-win-win for Democrats.
Unfortunately, they hastily painted themselves into a corner by announcing impeachment hearings practically minutes after the July 25 transcript was released. Once they started hearings, it would have been very hard to back down or pivot to censure.
@sh76 saidThere is zero indication that any Republicans in either House would have voted for a meaningless censure resolution.
A strongly worded censure would have probably been a better option.
That way, you force Republicans to either condone his behavior or criticize it. With impeachment, you leave the plausible deniability of "it's bad, but not impeachable."
A censure would probably get large majorities in both houses and probably hurt Trump's re-election. Almost half of Americans think Trump ...[text shortened]... released. Once they started hearings, it would have been very hard to back down or pivot to censure.
@no1marauder saidDemocrats have been voting for Trump's agenda all along. They have not opposed him when it comes to voting. Watch the video I posted in my OP. Democrats have been complicit and helped Trump all along. Impeachment is just a side show.
There is zero indication that any Republicans in either House would have voted for a meaningless censure resolution.
@metal-brain saidI'm not interested in YouTubes as "evidence" in the Debates Forum for reasons I have already explained on numerous occasions.
Democrats have been voting for Trump's agenda all along. They have not opposed him when it comes to voting. Watch the video I posted in my OP. Democrats have been complicit and helped Trump all along. Impeachment is just a side show.
It remains to be seen whether impeachment "helps Trump" or not; I strongly suspect that when the full truth is revealed as the majority of Americans desire it will blow up in the Donald's face; there's a reason he's hiding documentary evidence and stopping aides from testifying about their firsthand knowledge of his actions and motivations.