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Mott The Hoople

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"FTA: The Internal Revenue Service 2021 report contains a bit more information about who the IRS aims to target – you. These special IRS Criminal Investigation agents are armed and ready to prevent a penny from leaving the government’s control. After only six months of training, these armed accountants will learn how to use weapons and other law enforcement tactics against the general population.

Agents at the National Criminal Investigation Training Academy (NCITA) participated in mock raids on suburban houses. The Criminal Investigator Training Program (CITP) is followed by a 14-week NCITA Special Agent Investigative Techniques (SAIT) course. “The SAIT program trains new agents in tax law, evidence gathering, interviewing, report writing, methods of proving unreported income, and money laundering violations. It also provides physical fitness conditioning and use of force training, which includes firearms, weaponless tactics, and building entry,” the report states.

Additionally, agents will need to complete quarterly training in “firearms, defensive tactics, and building entry.” How often do they plan to raid homes under the guise of taxes? The report states that these agents will “use good judgment” in order “to apply the appropriate degree of force necessary to safely carry out enforcement activities, including issuing search warrants, arrests, surveillance, dignitary protection, undercover activities, and seizures.”

They are not doing this on a grand scale to target drug dealers and organized crime leaders. The government is preparing an independent army of IRS agents who can work undercover, spy on citizens, and seize assets under their “good judgment.” Very “Orwellian” indeed."

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Tax evasion is organized crime with the specific intent of driving this nation into bankruptcy

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@athousandyoung said
Tax evasion is organized crime with the specific intent of driving this nation into bankruptcy
Nah. If it were that, it'd have a real goal, and one that frankly, I'd support. But tax evasion is merely the love of money. Nothing deeper, nothing more intelligent. Just greed and arrogance.

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@shallow-blue said
Nah. If it were that, it'd have a real goal, and one that frankly, I'd support. But tax evasion is merely the love of money. Nothing deeper, nothing more intelligent. Just greed and arrogance.
It really is that. They've been deliberately starving the Federal government for funds for a long time.

https://www.milwaukeeindependent.com/thom-hartmann/two-santas-strategy-gop-used-economic-scam-manipulate-americans-40-years/

First, the Two Santas strategy dictates, when Republicans control the White House they must spend money like a drunken Santa and cut taxes to run up the U.S. debt as far and as fast as possible.

This produces three results: it stimulates the economy thus making people think that the GOP can produce a good economy; it raises the debt dramatically; and it makes people think that Republicans are the “tax-cut Santa Clauses.”

Second, when a Democrat is in the White House, Republicans must scream about the national debt as loudly and frantically as possible, freaking out about how “our children will have to pay for it!” and “we have to cut spending to solve the crisis!” Shut down the government, crash the stock market, and damage US credibility around the world if necessary to stop Democrats from spending money.

This will force the Democrats in power to cut their own social safety net programs and even Social Security, thus shooting their welfare-of-the-American-people Santa Claus right in the face.

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You're both right. On an individual basis tax evasion is just love of money. But on an organized basis like with the GOP it's with the goal pointed out above.

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@athousandyoung said
Tax evasion is organized crime with the specific intent of driving this nation into bankruptcy
Why this?

"Agents at the National Criminal Investigation Training Academy (NCITA) participated in mock raids on suburban houses.

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@mott-the-hoople said
Why this?

"Agents at the National Criminal Investigation Training Academy (NCITA) participated in mock raids on suburban houses.
Probably because they expect tax evaders to hide in suburban houses.

https://www.businessinsider.com/where-wealthy-americans-moved-during-pandemic-luxury-real-estate-suburbs-2021-3

The wealthy flooded 4 suburbs during the pandemic, snapping up large, amenity-laden homes with zero concerns about commutes

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@vivify said
You're both right. On an individual basis tax evasion is just love of money. But on an organized basis like with the GOP it's with the goal pointed out above.
Destabilizing the government destabilizes the nation. If the government collapses and takes the FBI and other federal law enforcement entities with it, the revolutionary mobs could rise up and seize the property and persons of these billionaires faster than the latter could raise and train private armies using their ill-gotten trillions. But much of their wealth would vanish overnight with the concomitant collapse of US markets and currency.

A dark and short-sighted path, this is.

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@soothfast said
Destabilizing the government destabilizes the nation. If the government collapses and takes the FBI and other federal law enforcement entities with it, the revolutionary mobs could rise up and seize the property and persons of these billionaires faster than the latter could raise and train private armies using their ill-gotten trillions. But much of their wealth would van ...[text shortened]... with the concomitant collapse of US markets and currency.

A dark and short-sighted path, this is.
It relies on the assumption that the Left will back down indefinitely..."if they have no bread let them eat brioche"...

Rev 6, updated for the times:

When He broke the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying, "Come." I looked, and behold, a black horse; and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand. And I heard something like a voice in the center of the four living creatures saying, "A studio apartment for $1500, and minumum wage of $15; but do not tax the landlords and other passive income."


Song about French Revolution set to Lady Gaga:

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@athousandyoung said
It relies on the assumption that the Left will back down indefinitely..."if they have no bread let them eat brioche"...
That is a big assumption, but while I wouldn't expect the Democratic Party to initiate billionaire lynchings, I also doubt it would have the will or ability to hold back a populist explosion on the left end of the political spectrum that takes things beyond the ballot box. The right wing is actively undermining the ballot box and increasing the chance of this happening.

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@mott-the-hoople said
"FTA: The Internal Revenue Service 2021 report contains a bit more information about who the IRS aims to target – you. These special IRS Criminal Investigation agents are armed and ready to prevent a penny from leaving the government’s control. After only six months of training, these armed accountants will learn how to use weapons and other law enforcement tactics ag ...[text shortened]... undercover, spy on citizens, and seize assets under their “good judgment.” Very “Orwellian” indeed."
Wouldn't be necessary without the Second Amendment.

For your information, every federal agency has their gun-toting division, even the freaking Postal Service. It's stupid they waited this long for the IRS. Those who skirt tax law often have weapons to secure their grifting.

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@athousandyoung said
It relies on the assumption that the Left will back down indefinitely..."if they have no bread let them eat brioche"...

[quote]Rev 6, updated for the times:

When He broke the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying, "Come." I looked, and behold, a black horse; and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand. And I heard something like a voice i ...[text shortened]... ut French Revolution set to Lady Gaga:

[youtube History Teachers French Rev]wXsZbkt0yqo[/youtube]
There’s no bread let them eat cake
There’s no end to what they’ll take
Flaunt the fruits of noble birth
Wash the salt into the earth
But they’re marching to Bastille Day
La guillotine will claim her bloody prize
Free the dungeons of the innocent
The king will kneel, and let his kingdom rise

Bloodstained velvet, dirty lace
Naked fear on every face
See them bow their heads to die
As we would bow as they rode by

And we’re marching to Bastille Day
La guillotine will claim her bloody prize
Sing, o choirs of cacophony
The king has kneeled, to let his kingdom rise.

Lessons taught, but never learned
All around us anger burns
Guide the future by the past
Long ago the mould was cast

For they marched up to Bastille Day
La guillotine – claimed her bloody prize
Hear the echoes of the centuries
Power isn’t all that money buys

-- "Bastille Day", Rush, Caress of Steel, 1975

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@soothfast said
Destabilizing the government destabilizes the nation. If the government collapses and takes the FBI and other federal law enforcement entities with it, the revolutionary mobs could rise up and seize the property and persons of these billionaires faster than the latter could raise and train private armies using their ill-gotten trillions. But much of their wealth would van ...[text shortened]... with the concomitant collapse of US markets and currency.

A dark and short-sighted path, this is.
But what if the right seized control and instituted a reign of terror, a literal tyrannical government the right is always telling everyone about to keep them in line, with a re-written Constitution to enshrine their quasi-religious government in law? Revolution, in that case, could be the last option we have left to save our democracy. "Fighting in the streets, with our children at our feet", as The Who said, would become mandatory -- doing nothing, not an option.

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Let us not lose sight of the fact that the legislators ONLY determine what people pay for taxes. The people never have a say.
Does that seem fair...? You have some tax enforcement org (IRS) saying "you owe", which in reality, we do NOT owe.

For many decades now, the tax man has really screwed the poor people in America. The elderly, too.
Yet the people meekly comply, fearing the consequences.

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@earl-of-trumps said
Let us not lose sight of the fact that the legislators ONLY determine what people pay for taxes. The people never have a say.
Does that seem fair...? You have some tax enforcement org (IRS) saying "you owe", which in reality, we do NOT owe.

For many decades now, the tax man has really screwed the poor people in America. The elderly, too.
Yet the people meekly comply, fearing the consequences.
The legislators are elected!

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