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Is China Planning to Take Over The Moon?

Is China Planning to Take Over The Moon?

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@wildgrass said
Oh you haven't heard. There are dozens of internet reports. Basically elon will save us and force us all to live on Mars while he stays here with a gaggle of his own kids and starts fresh.

We will be given telescopes so we can watch from afar as he rebuilds the world in his image.
Well he is African so why are you complaining? 🤷

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@beowulf said
Well he is African so why are you complaining? 🤷
South African.

That's not African.

He was born in Pretoria, South Africa. Do I have to mention what side of apartheid he was born into?

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@wildgrass
Not if he builds rockets like this:

https://nypost.com/2022/07/12/spacex-booster-rocket-bursts-into-flames-during-test-launch/


@wildgrass said
Oh you haven't heard. There are dozens of internet reports. Basically elon will save us and force us all to live on Mars while he stays here with a gaggle of his own kids and starts fresh.

We will be given telescopes so we can watch from afar as he rebuilds the world in his image.
Living on Mars is impractical. It has no magnetic field and a very thin atmosphere.
Mars is no more livable than the moon.

People merely want to go to Mars for the same reason people climb a mountain, because it is there and they want to be first.

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@metal-brain said
Living on Mars is impractical. It has no magnetic field and a very thin atmosphere.
Mars is no more livable than the moon.

People merely want to go to Mars for the same reason people climb a mountain, because it is there and they want to be first.
For once, Metal says something true. We get much more useful data from the machines we sent there than we could get from a human. Robots weren't nearly as good in the 1960s as they are now, so back then the astronauts did some good a probe of that era could not have done, but those days are past. There is no reason to send human beings to either Mars or (by now) the Moon.

That said, there are several very good reasons to send Elon Musk to Mars, in person.

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@Shallow-Blue
The bit about Mars not having a magnetic field is open to discussion because even I can envision ways to have a planet wide magnetic field to deflect solar storms. It is just a big engineering problem and we can do one right now if we were there en mass. "Just" string a few turns of superconductors around the equator of the planet and it would be a snap if and when we invent room temperature superconductors, I calculated a 50,000 amp current flow through that matrix would make a field stronger than Earths and there are other engineering solutions to that problem other folks have thought of, so that is just a huge engineering project for a couple hundred years from now or so.
The same thing could be done on the moon to protect humans there also.
China could not take over the moon and neither could the US or NASA or Europe or Roscommon, there are plenty of large craters with water ice on the south pole of the moon to go around. Also it would be hyper expensive to enforce some kind of fighting force on the moon, so they would have to build fighting robots to do that.

Anyway, I envision a couple hundred years from now, assuming we haven't wiped our sorry asses off the planet, living on the moon will be tough enough without having to fight for it and therefore everyone will be working together out of necessity.
Like now even on Earth say for mariners, ANY ship broadcasting SOS calls gets help from the nearest ship no matter what country is involved in either the distressed ship or the helpers.
I imagine rules like that evolving on the moon because it just makes sense, you scratch my back, I scratch yours.


@sonhouse said
@Shallow-Blue
The bit about Mars not having a magnetic field is open to discussion because even I can envision ways to have a planet wide magnetic field to deflect solar storms. It is just a big engineering problem and we can do one right now if we were there en mass. "Just" string a few turns of superconductors around the equator of the planet and it would be a snap if and ...[text shortened]... es like that evolving on the moon because it just makes sense, you scratch my back, I scratch yours.
That is a stupid idea.

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@Metal-Brain
Yeah, you, having a Phd in physics, I guess I have to bow down to you......

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