Who is René Girard ? : http://www.mimetictheory.org/bios/girard.html
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Interview with René Girard on ‘DICTATORSHIP OF RELATIVISM':
http://www.digitalnpq.org/global_services/global%20viewpoint/05-10-05.html
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Gardels: Is Christianity superior to other religions?
Girard: Yes. All of my work has been an effort to show that Christianity is superior and not just another mythology. In mythology, a furious mob mobilizes against scapegoats held responsible for some huge crisis. The sacrifice of the guilty victim through collective violence ends the crisis and founds a new order ordained by the divine. Violence and scapegoating are always present in the mythological definition of the divine itself.
It is true that the structure of the Gospels is similar to that of mythology in which a crisis is resolved through a single victim who unites everybody against him, thus reconciling the community. As the Greeks thought, the shock of death of the victim brings about a catharsis that reconciles. It extinguishes the appetite for violence. For the Greeks, the tragic death of the hero enabled ordinary people to go back to their peaceful lives.
However, in this case, the victim is innocent and the victimizers are guilty. Collective violence against the scapegoat as a sacred, founding act is revealed as a lie. Christ redeems the victimizers through enduring his suffering, imploring God to "forgive them for they know not what they do." He refuses to plead to God to avenge his victimhood with reciprocal violence. Rather, he turns the other cheek.
The victory of the Cross is a victory of love against the scapegoating cycle of violence. It punctures the idea that hatred is a sacred duty.
The Gospels do everything that the (Old Testament) Bible had done before, rehabilitating a victimized prophet, a wrongly accused victim. But they also universalize this rehabilitation. They show that, since the foundation of the world, the victims of all Passion-like murders have been victims of the same mob contagion as Jesus. The Gospels make this revelation complete because they give to the biblical denunciation of idolatry a concrete demonstration of how false gods and their violent cultural systems are generated.
This is the truth missing from mythology, the truth that subverts the violent system of this world. This revelation of collective violence as a lie is the earmark of Judeo-Christianity. This is what is unique about Judeo-Christianity. And this uniqueness is true.
Gardels: Leszek Kolakowski, the Marxist humanist philosopher who late in life wrote "The Revenge of the Sacred in Secular Culture," made a distinction between "pluralistic tolerance" — the respect for other beliefs — and "indifferent tolerance," which refuses to believe there can be any superior Truth. One can be opposed, as you and Ratzinger are, to value indifference, but must that imply a kind of theocratic intolerance?
Girard: That would be foolish. Christians cannot turn others into scapegoats in the name of the innocent victim! You don't have to approve of Charlemagne converting the Saxons by force or the Crusades to be a good Christian. Ratzinger is not for that.
Gardels: Unlike his predecessor, who was seen as ecumenical, Benedict is seen as a sectarian who will not reach out to other religions. Don't such strong views against relativism limit an ecumenical approach?
Girard: I did not find the famous Assisi meeting scandalous — when John Paul invited other religious leaders for dialogue and kissed the Koran — as some conservatives did. I see no conflict between Benedict strongly affirming his Christian beliefs in the presence of others who believe as strongly in their own faiths. No one should imagine that ecumenicism means giving up your belief in the superiority of your faith.
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Any serious comments ?
( .... no Christian bashing and no Ad Hominems, please. Thank you.)
Originally posted by ivanhoeI am not sure where this comment lies, but it would seem against everything that Jesus Christ stood for to argue that his way was superior to anything else. The King of Kings who comes as a babe born in a stable, who numbered as his friends prostitutes and thieves and for whom humility and acceptance was a way of life surely would reject an evaluation of his teachings as some ideological point scoring exercise. He said love your enemies, do good to those that curse you and if someone should strike you on one cheek you should turn the other. He also said love your God with all your heart mind and might, and your neighbor as your self.
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Considering that He never defended himself from the slings and arrows of the religious establishment of the day, it would seem odd to defend or promote his teachings in such a competitive way.
I do not deny your sincerity in proposing this debate and I do apologize if by making this point I cause any offense, it just seems to me that the sublime essence of Christianity is not proving its worth, but simply living its truth.
Is Christianity based on Hermetism?
Moses, the patriarch of Judaism, is also claimed to have been initated into the Hermetic Mysteries. (Regardie p. 16) The name משה, meaning Moses, may be an anagram for שמה, a name for the Sun. This is significant since many of the initiates into the Hermetic Mysteries were given names synonymous with the Sun to symbolize its powers of redemption and regeneration within them.
It is hard to trace the Hermetic texts back all these millennia because of an event in 391 CE. In Alexandria, a woman named Hypathia, an initiate into the Hermetic Mysteries, took on the growing creed of Christianity head on. She had convinced the people of Alexandria that the beliefs of Christianity were all of pagan origin as well as that the miracles of Jesus of Nazareth were available to all by demonstrating the natural laws behind them. (Hall The Secret Teachings of All Ages p. 650) Though her murder didn't take place until 415 CE, it is an example of why the event in 391 CE happened. In that year, her works, along with most of the Hermetic texts, perished when the Great Library of Alexandria was burnt to the ground by the Romans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:King_Vegita/Hermetism
One day in March 415CE[22], during the season of Lent, her chariot was waylaid on her route home by a Christian mob, possibly Nitrian monks[22] led by a man identified only as "Peter".
She was stripped naked and dragged through the streets to the newly christianised Caesareum church and killed. Some reports suggest she was flayed with ostrakois (literally, "oyster shells", though also used to refer to roof tiles) and set ablaze while still alive, though other accounts suggest those actions happened after her death.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypathia
Originally posted by Thequ1ckThe crowd probably got lessons from the Moslems.
One day in March 415CE[22], during the season of Lent, her chariot was waylaid on her route home by a Christian mob, possibly Nitrian monks[22] led by a man identified only as "Peter".
She was stripped naked and dragged through the streets to the newly christianised Caesareum church and killed. Some reports suggest she was flayed with ostrakois (literall ...[text shortened]... nts suggest those actions happened after her death.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypathia
Originally posted by ivanhoeI see no reason to think that Christianity is superior to Buddhism in this regard. There is a wonderful article by James Frederiks, "The Cross and the Begging Bowl" (Buddhist-Christian Studies, Volume 18, 1998) where it is argued that Buddhism also seeks to transform our understanding of scapegoating and ritualized violence. While Christianity does this by focusing attention of the innocence of the victim, Buddhism advocates sacrificing one's own ego and thereby transcending mimetic desire (the very basis for the cycle of violence that concerns Girard). This is the very point of the Kutadanta Sutta, which can be read here:
Who is René Girard ? : http://www.mimetictheory.org/bios/girard.html
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Interview with René Girard on ‘DICTATORSHIP OF RELATIVISM':
http://www.digitalnpq.org/global_services/global%20viewpoint/05-10-05.html
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Gardels: Is Christianity superior to other religions? ...[text shortened]... omments ?
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http://www.buddhistinformation.com/ida_b_wells_memorial_sutra_library/kutadanta_sutta.htm
Originally posted by ivanhoeThe only reason it could be better is if the claims it makes are true
Who is René Girard ? : http://www.mimetictheory.org/bios/girard.html
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Interview with René Girard on ‘DICTATORSHIP OF RELATIVISM':
http://www.digitalnpq.org/global_services/global%20viewpoint/05-10-05.html
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Gardels: Is Christianity superior to other religions? ...[text shortened]... omments ?
( .... no Christian bashing and no Ad Hominems, please. Thank you.)
about God and Jesus Christ. If that is true yes, if not it is just another
of a long line of views about God, gods, and no gods.
Kelly