Originally posted by MacSwainDang it, I sure don't remember signing that one.
The question posed by this thread "Is Conservatism Dead?" can be answered below. If you refuse to sign you are conservative, if you have no problem, then you are socialist.
We've all heard of the "Social Contract" -- the unwritten agreement between individuals and "society" (i.e. the government.) Rarely do people actually try to write down the exact te ...[text shortened]... ----------------------------------
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Originally posted by whodeyIt unfortunately got into bed with fundamentalist Christianity. The true conservatives thought they'd play the Jesus crowd to win some elections, but when they hit the sack the holy rollers showed up with leathers and the whip.
In light of the recent political developments I can't help asking if perhaps conservatism is indeed dead. For example, we have "W" who is a Republican president yet continues to spend like a drunken sailor. We then have the likes of McCain in the process of winning the Republican nomination whose record often mirrors those of his Democrate counterparts etc. ...[text shortened]... stands for. How then can a conservative operate and compete in such a political environment?
Now the true conservatives are jaded, and the Christians are either disillusioned or naively throwing their votes to Huckleberry. Conservative thought is not dead, however. It will return in time. Probably sooner than many would imagine. It just needs to find support again from the independents.
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Originally posted by SMSBear716Aren't you a fundamentalist Christian?
I think a good number of American Republicans are conservatives as well, and then there are conservatives ssuch as myself who consider themselves as independent conservatives, we just happen to vote for Republicans since their views tend to mirror ours in more respects than the Democrats.
After all, I was registered as a Democrat from 1970 to 1979, alt me, national security/war on terrorism and illegal immigration, with the economy a close third.
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Originally posted by telerionThe question then must be asked, how has fundamentalist Christianity changed the once conservative agenda within the Republican party to one that is liberal in nature? From my vantage point is appears that the Republican party has hijacked fundamentalist Christianity in many regards rhat than the other way around. Fundamentalists are merely a tool for Repulicans to help them get elected rather than a force that changes the Republican party. They talk a good talk but fail to deliver time and time again. Case in point, Republicans owned the Presidency and Congress for a number of years. So what of the Fundamentlist agendas? Is abortion still not the law of the land etc.? How has fundamentalist Christianity influenced the policies within the US one little bit?
It unfortunately got into bed with fundamentalist Christianity. The true conservatives thought they'd play the Jesus crowd to win some elections, but when they hit the sack the holy rollers showed up with leathers and the whip.
Now the true conservatives are jaded, and the Christians are either disillusioned or naively throwing their votes to Hucklebe ...[text shortened]... bly sooner than many would imagine. It just needs to find support again from the independents.
Originally posted by whodeyThe inherent contradiction in conservatives views on economics and their views on social behaviour is at the root of this schism.
In light of the recent political developments I can't help asking if perhaps conservatism is indeed dead. For example, we have "W" who is a Republican president yet continues to spend like a drunken sailor. We then have the likes of McCain in the process of winning the Republican nomination whose record often mirrors those of his Democrate counterparts etc. ...[text shortened]... stands for. How then can a conservative operate and compete in such a political environment?
This is why there are these very distinct (and power struggling) types of Republicans. One voting mostly for Republican views on economics and the other for conserving traditional social values.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungNo, tried to get this point across to you more than once and failed.
Aren't you a fundamentalist Christian?
I believe in God, if thats being a fundamentalist in your opinion, then maybe I am. I do object to those that want to blame all the world's ills on organised religion or Christianity.
I also object to those that think that all conservatives are Christian fundmentalists. The Christian right is a small portion of the conservative movement, and their chief issue, repealing abortion, doesn't even interest me. Want to have a abortion, fine ..go ahead, just don't make the taxpayers pay for it. Less kids on welfare the rest of us have to pay for. Take personal reponsibility for your actions
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Originally posted by MacSwainSocialism and communism is not the same thing, if you talk about communism you can just say the word without stupid note about PC.
You are partial right inasmuch as the word is only a symbol. Excluding kingdoms and dictatorships there are only two representative systems for governments to operate under. Capitalism and Communism (though PC prefer to use the term socialism - I prefer the stronger term).
In order to exercise control over the voter, politicians have created terms to m ...[text shortened]... ved “sub-title” a politician gives himself and decide; Is the candidate Capitalist or Communist?
Capitalist and communist... that is stupid decision. That is like saying, ignore the terms dusk, twilight, dawn, night, and day... just decide if it is bright or dark!
Everyone on control of capitalist society is very much capitalist, but they may have some views that tend towards socialism (not communism, they still support capitalism, socialism is different).
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Originally posted by MacSwainNo way! I will not sign this!
The question posed by this thread "Is Conservatism Dead?" can be answered below. If you refuse to sign you are conservative, if you have no problem, then you are socialist.
We've all heard of the "Social Contract" -- the unwritten agreement between individuals and "society" (i.e. the government.) Rarely do people actually try to write down the exact te ...[text shortened]... ----------------------------------
signature:_________________________ date:_________
But I am not conservative! But I am not socialist! I am LIBERAL! I am, if I must choose a American Political Party, LIBERTARIAN!
So there!
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Originally posted by PalynkaSo in your opinion it is the fault of the Christian rights struggle to over turn Roe vs. Wade via the Republican party for the fiscal liberal invasion of the Republican party? Well I guess we got the worse of both worlds if this is true. The Christian right has been left disillusioned because their dream has never come about to overturn Roe vs. Wade and the conservatives have been disillusioned because Republican fiscal liberals have used the Christian right to overthrow the Republican fiscal conservatives. Why is it that the liberals get to have their cake and eat it too? They get their abortion on demand and fiscal liberalism to boot!! Sickening but true!! As far as I am concerned, the liberals have owned Washington ever since Reagan left office.
The inherent contradiction in conservatives views on economics and their views on social behaviour is at the root of this schism.
This is why there are these very distinct (and power struggling) types of Republicans. One voting mostly for Republican views on economics and the other for conserving traditional social values.
Originally posted by UzumakiAiIt's Liber....Liber.....Libertarian, not Liberal....Liberal....Liberaltarian.
No way! I will not sign this!
But I am not conservative! But I am not socialist! I am LIBERAL! I am, if I must choose a American Political Party, LIBERTARIAN!
So there!
Libertarians are mucho Conservatives. They believe in a strict interpretation of the Constitution. They believe in a small Federal Gov't. LiberAls believe in a big Federal Gov't with control over every aspect of our lives with their Liberal, Socialist, programs.
F. Granny
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The post that was quoted here has been removedYou might argue that fighting abortion on demand equates one as being socially "authoritarian". That is unless you think that the unborn are actually HUMAN!!
As far as economics, I have always veiwed liberals as economically "authoritarian". They will decide how to best spend your money. They will decide which welfare programs best help society. They will decide who you will best save for your retirement. They will decide what kind of health care is best for everybody. A liberals view is that government can fix pretty much anything when in reality everything government touches tends to then fall into a state of disrepair such as social security, welfare etc etc. It is then the job of the conservative to try and fight them from getting thier hands on as little as possible so as not to ruin it altogether.
Not only that, but you could argue that liberals are also socially "authoritarian" as well. They will decide that your kids can't pray in schools. They will decide which public school your children will attend. They will decide that it is best for your teenage daughter not have to consult you to have an abortion etc, etc.