12 Dec 06
Originally posted by PalynkaIn the sense of an appeal to a natural superiority and a belief in a manifest providential destiny that legitimates her taking a position astride the Globe where those who are considered non persons are exterminated with the utmost disregard for their humanity.
Nazism? 😕
Chemical warfare and carpet bombing in Vietnam and Cambodia and the recent wars in Iraq starting with the Gulf war as prime examples of the degree of extreme prejudice with which this paragon of western civilization would dispatch its enemies.
12 Dec 06
Originally posted by kmax87Ok, so it has nothing to do with Democracy or Nazism, but with America and 'imperialism'.
In the sense of an appeal to a natural superiority and a belief in a manifest providential destiny that legitimates her taking a position astride the Globe where those who are considered non persons are exterminated with the utmost disregard for their humanity.
Chemical warfare and carpet bombing in Vietnam and Cambodia and the recent wars in Iraq starting ...[text shortened]... of extreme prejudice with which this paragon of western civilization would dispatch its enemies.
The Straussian philosophy of neo-cons would certainly suggest that, but I believe (and hope) it's not representative of its people and that will become apparent in the end.
12 Dec 06
Originally posted by PalynkaTrying to draw too many direct parallels between Democracy and Nazism will always seem a bit stretched and a bit inadequate, one particular aspect of the comparison that I thought bore more than a passing resemblance to each other, was in the ease with which the will of government to engage in violence against an enemy was enacted relative to the degree of freedom of will and choice enjoyed by the populace of either regime.
Ok, so it has nothing to do with Democracy or Nazism, but with America and 'imperialism'.
The Straussian philosophy of neo-cons would certainly suggest that, but I believe (and hope) it's not representative of its people and that will become apparent in the end.
Relative to the notions of individual rights enumerated by the American Constitution in the Bill of Rights it confers to its citizens contrasted with the exercise of individual will an ordinary German person could express during the Nazi era, it would seem then that American actions in Vietnam and Iraq are no less extreme than the horrors of Holocaust perpetrated by the Nazis, when viewed in a relative way with respect to the resistance shown by the respective populations during those actions, relative to their own degree of personal freedom that they had at their disposal under the respective national governments.
12 Dec 06
Originally posted by kmax87😕
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when viewed in a relative way with respect to the resistance shown by the respective populations during those actions, relative to their own degree of personal freedom that they had at their disposal under the respective national governments.
Forget the Nazism comparison. It's too relative.
12 Dec 06
Originally posted by kmax87Okay this should say it clearly. The people under either system were/are powerless to stop the heinous acts of barbarism perpetrated by either system. From this perspective the two systems are very similar.
You want me to forget a relationship that's intimately related?
12 Dec 06
Originally posted by kmax87We live in a feminist dictatorship and its all because Americas Hedgehogs position in a trench couldn't tie anny up for a sesh.. Revolt is here guys wear head scraves and demand the women wear neck ties... strike I say.
As America's influence and hegemonic position become more entrenched are we seeing a move towards absolute tyranny as evidenced by the war against Iraq?
12 Dec 06
Originally posted by kmax87Wikipedia: "Nazism is not a precise, theoretically grounded ideology. It consists of a loose collection of ideas and positions: extreme nationalism, racism, eugenics, totalitarianism, homophobia, anti-Semitism, anti-communism, and limits to freedom of religion."
Okay this should say it clearly. The people under either system were/are powerless to stop the heinous acts of barbarism perpetrated by either system. From this perspective the two systems are very similar.
I think the primary difference is that under democracy anyone can espouse such views -- but no one is forced to adopt or follow any of them. In addition, anyone can espouse the opposite view without fear of retribution from the state. This would not have been the case in the Nazi state that existed in Germany where dissent was suppressed.
As far as stopping acts of barbarism goes -- well, no system of government has so far been able to eschew warfare. I'm not sure any will either since pacivity is not really rewarded at present.
12 Dec 06
Originally posted by spruce112358Am I hearing you say that philosophies and ideologies are just window dressing on a very ugly reality of the human soul?
As far as stopping acts of barbarism goes -- well, no system of government has so far been able to eschew warfare. I'm not sure any will either since pacivity is not really rewarded at present.
12 Dec 06
Originally posted by spruce112358I did not see the parallel until now. Good heavens, it looks like that is where we are headed!!!!!!!!!
[b]Wikipedia: "Nazism is not a precise, theoretically grounded ideology. It consists of a loose collection of ideas and positions: extreme nationalism, racism, eugenics, totalitarianism, homophobia, anti-Semitism, anti-communism, and limits to freedom of religion."
