Is Libertarianism Gaining Popularity?

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
I was Libertarian before Libertarians were cool.

Now its all about Anarchism. In a few years society will catch up to the trend...

EDIT - Wait rwingo was anarchist first and he's a commie. I'm not a red anarchist however the f* that works like he is.

Oh yeah? I voted for Ed Clark in the 1980 election. Carter and Reagan didn't seem like good options at the time.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
I was Libertarian before Libertarians were cool.

No you're a far left extremist who claims to be libertarian to sound moderate. In actualty, your views are about as far from libertarianism as anyone could get.

Originally posted by normbenign
You see a conflict between reason and libertarianism?

Of course. Libertarianism confuses means and goals, and in doing so, has either no goal, or a poorly motivated one.

Originally posted by savage4731
No you're a far left extremist who claims to be libertarian to sound moderate. In actualty, your views are about as far from libertarianism as anyone could get.

There are far left extremist views that do incorporate the same vision as the libertarian. Freedom of being owners of our bodies and minds for instance.

Originally posted by savage4731
No you're a far left extremist who claims to be libertarian to sound moderate. In actualty, your views are about as far from libertarianism as anyone could get.

Dammit utherpendragon had just convinced me I was moderate. Now I'm confused.

EDIT - Get a job so you can afford a subscription freeloader. You must be from one of those welfare states like Arizona.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Of course. Libertarianism confuses means and goals, and in doing so, has either no goal, or a poorly motivated one.

Isn't there a political segment to whom the means are the goals?

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Of course. Libertarianism confuses means and goals, and in doing so, has either no goal, or a poorly motivated one.

Libertarianism is based on a constrained vision of what men can do, or ought to attempt. It has "faith" that liberty will bring about the best we can expect. The unconstrained vision, is that not just goals, but solutions are calculable.

Fredrick Bastiate always saw that there were seen and unseen effects of actions. The unseen are often not accounted for either intentionally, or due to their being presently unseen.

I am not certain where there is confusion between means and goals. Goals, when pursued always require means. Are the means acceptable, is what libertarians generally ask. Not all good aims, can be pursued without adverse effects on liberty.

Originally posted by normbenign
Libertarianism is based on a constrained vision of what men can do, or ought to attempt. It has "faith" that liberty will bring about the best we can expect. The unconstrained vision, is that not just goals, but solutions are calculable.

Fredrick Bastiate always saw that there were seen and unseen effects of actions. The unseen are often not accou ...[text shortened]... rtarians generally ask. Not all good aims, can be pursued without adverse effects on liberty.

Freedom is a goal, but libertarians generally define it very poorly/vaguely, if at all.

Laissez faire capitalism is a means to an end (freedom), but in (laissez faire) libertarianism it becomes a goal of its own as it is an essential part of the ideology.

Originally posted by whodey

My only question is, why would you need free abortions if you had free rubbers?

Because we require men to use the rubbers and women to take the severe consequences when they don't.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Freedom is a goal, but libertarians generally define it very poorly/vaguely, if at all.

Laissez faire capitalism is a means to an end (freedom), but in (laissez faire) libertarianism it becomes a goal of its own as it is an essential part of the ideology.

Libertarianism is gaining popularity because an increasing number of people have grown so rich that they have forgotten the debt they owe to an enabling state.

Looking purely at the US news as I can access it from the UK I would say that it is, and there seems to be a new interest in your constitution, which seems a very positive thing to me (I wish that the UK had one in writing).

Will it flourish? This is where it gets scary. If Ron Paul wins and doesn't get assassinated (remember he wants to sort The Fed out, and the last person to try that one was JFK) then I feel that you will see the shackles lifted off and the cry for liberty increase. If he doesn't you (the USA and eventually The West) are in trouble - you had NDAA on Xmas eve legalising the toture and execution of US citizens on the whim of the president, and the recent disclosure (last week) that the Obama government has prepared "Re-education" centres.

Obama's former mentor was also caught on record as saying that he thought you could be looking at 25 Million deaths in these centres. So it kind of looks like it's Ron Paul and libertarianism versus Obama/Romney and the rise of the 4th Riech.

Everything that i have said can be found in the public domain, although the army might have close the access off to the re-education camps, but it was reported on last week.

Originally posted by medullah
Looking purely at the US news as I can access it from the UK I would say that it is, and there seems to be a new interest in your constitution, which seems a very positive thing to me (I wish that the UK had one in writing).

Will it flourish? This is where it gets scary. If Ron Paul wins and doesn't get assassinated (remember he wants to sort The Fed out ...[text shortened]... ght have close the access off to the re-education camps, but it was reported on last week.

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Originally posted by medullah
Looking purely at the US news as I can access it from the UK I would say that it is, and there seems to be a new interest in your constitution, which seems a very positive thing to me (I wish that the UK had one in writing).

Will it flourish? This is where it gets scary. If Ron Paul wins and doesn't get assassinated (remember he wants to sort The Fed out ...[text shortened]... ght have close the access off to the re-education camps, but it was reported on last week.

Once again proof that British comedy is best.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
No, the most common American libertarianism is more like Laissez-faire libertarianism, which is not anarchistic nor is it socialistic.

The prefix anarcho- does not mean anarchy. Anarchism and anarchy are different things.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Once again proof that British comedy is best.

But it's best delivered with a classic one-centimetre British overbite.