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Originally posted by zeeblebotATY didn't go to prison because he didn't live around the people he went to school with; he looks white; he was a loner and didn't get much opportunity to hang with the ghetto trash; and he's really smart, and was able to handle school at the college level even with minimal support (though it was HARD). Oh yeah, and his parents for all their faults value family above all else, never separated, and always kept food on the table and a roof over his head.
the same reason so many students fail to make the grade in his area?
can't get to school without fear of being stabbed with a pencil?
When he had a chance to learn how to steal hood ornaments for money he did it, and stopped because it turned out the dude who said he could make money from them wouldn't do so.
ATY also didn't go to the worst schools, and in fact dropped out in 10th grade and tried to live on minimum wage work wherever he could get it. In the worst schools students are segregated by race so they don't kill each other.
EDIT - If you want to know about the HS I attended (in theory) for part of 10th grade, here you go:
in mid-March, two Franklin students were shot and killed a few blocks away, just after school let out for the afternoon.
http://blogs.uscannenberg.org/neontommy/2009/04/gangs-are-part-of-life-in-neig.html
Another school in L.A.:
Up to 600 Black and Latino students were involved in racially tinged violence at the Locke High School in South Los Angeles. The riot was described as the worst violence many of the faculty had ever seen in a high school plagued with violence and what the L.A. authorities are euphemistically calling “tagging crews.” It took 60 officers, some in riot gear, to restore order and only four arrests were made. One of the arrested was a non-student carrying a knife.
http://www.red-alerts.com/the-front/race-riot-in-los-angeles-high-school/
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Originally posted by TeinosukeBut actually, a lot of the world´s most secular countries in terms of their citizens´ attitudes have an established church
Originally posted by generalissimo
[b]I find it hard to believe the UK is a secular state even though there's no separation of church and state.
First point about the Lords Spiritual taken. But actually, a lot of the world´s most secular countries in terms of their citizens´ attitudes have an established church. It could be argued that the up to a lot of the specific provisions of European law, including the Human Rights Act.[/b]
what do you mean by this?
you either have it or you don't, having a majority of the population following a certain religion does not make it the established religion.
It could be argued that the first step in shifting Britain towards secularism was precisely Henry VIII´s decision to make himself head of the English church, thus asserting the supremacy of the state over the church.
Well, not really. The only change was in the leadership; whereas previously the pope was the leader of the churches in england, after the change the king took over that role. Not much of a change towards secularism there.
That is true, but most countries have restraints on pure democracy of one form or another
yes, but not to the extent you have in the UK, considering many are in the upper house simply due to their luck (being born in the right family).
I´ll have to cite Wikipedia as I don´t have time right now to look further:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kingdom
"The UK has no single constitutional document comparable to those of most other nations. It is therefore often said that the country has an "unwritten", uncodified, or de facto constitution. However, the word "unwritten" is something of a misnomer as the majority of the British constitution does exist in the written form of statutes, court judgments, and treaties."
fair enough.
Of course, we have also now signed up to a lot of the specific provisions of European law, including the Human Rights Act.
all of which can be ignored if parliament wishes to do so; parliamentary soverengnty can override any previously signed treaty or convention.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungmy college roommate went from the colonias to a PhD in electrical engineering. he used to study a lot more than i did, regularly a few hours every night (my great-grandmother was a retired teacher and had me reading three or four grade levels ahead when i hit first grade, so by the time i left high school i still wasn't studying enough because it was too easy). his brother's in prison for something or other.
ATY didn't go to prison because he didn't live around the people he went to school with; he looks white; he was a loner and didn't get much opportunity to hang with the ghetto trash; and he's really smart, and was able to handle school at the college level even with minimal support (though it was HARD). Oh yeah, and his parents for all their faults v ...[text shortened]...
http://blogs.uscannenberg.org/neontommy/2009/04/gangs-are-part-of-life-in-neig.html[/i]
given that the gangs are already there, how is tossing more money at the schools going to help them?
Originally posted by AThousandYoung"only four arrests" !!!!
Another school in L.A.:
Up to 600 Black and Latino students were involved in racially tinged violence at the Locke High School in South Los Angeles. The riot was described as the worst violence many of the faculty had ever seen in a high school plagued with violence and what the L.A. authorities are euphemistically calling “tagging crews.” It to ...[text shortened]... rrying a knife.
http://www.red-alerts.com/the-front/race-riot-in-los-angeles-high-school/
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Originally posted by zeeblebotYou can't arrest everybody! There's no room in the prisons!
the police should have seen it as an opportunity to harvest "up to 600" perps from the general population.
Gangs are a way to survive in poverty. If you're not in poverty you don't need to join gangs!
Yes, there are a few individuals who make it. Statistically they're extremely uncommon. It's like claiming anyone and everyone can become a billionaire because some people have done it!
Originally posted by zeeblebotA few are just exceptional people who will work their way up honorably...maybe first generation Americans. They don't need the police to motivate them.
what percent of the poor are in gangs, then, and why aren't they ALL in gangs?
Some are not willing to risk prison and death. These are the ones policing will help.
Some aren't poor enough to be driven to frustration. Some are weak or sickly. Some have no friends or family to hook them into a web of social connections. These people are becoming infamous in Japan for leaving stains in the shape of a person from the decaying fluids that leak out after they die alone and unloved in their apartment. Some don't feel right about victimizing other poor people and the rich have security. Some kill themselves. Some do criminal activity outside of gangs. Some are too young. Some haven't made the decision yet. All kinds of reasons. Some grow up around the wrong ethnicity who won't accept them.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungthere's LOTS of rooms in the Aleutian islands, and the Alaskans would probably airdrop food for a lot cheaper than the CA prisons charge to feed their population.
You can't arrest everybody! There's no room in the prisons!
Gangs are a way to survive in poverty. If you're not in poverty you don't need to join gangs!
Yes, there are a few individuals who make it. Statistically they're extremely uncommon. It's like claiming anyone and everyone can become a billionaire because some people have done it!