12 Sep 05
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI'm not sure about Hitler; he did earn an Iron Cross for heroism in World War I though I've never been able to find the exact details of what he did to earn it. GWB, of course, bravely served in the Texas Air National Guard, preventing the VC from flying their fighter planes over Waco and Amarillo.
Minor point--I don't think either Bush or the little corporal ever killed anyone personally.
12 Sep 05
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Originally posted by no1marauderI'm wrong about Hitler--seems he saw heavy fighting.
I'm not sure about Hitler; he did earn an Iron Cross for heroism in World War I though I've never been able to find the exact details of what he did to earn it. GWB, of course, bravely served in the Texas Air National Guard, preventing the VC from flying their fighter planes over Waco and Amarillo.
"Hitler earned an Iron Cross 2nd Class in an engagement near Croonaert Wood, Wytschaete. During the fighting and under heavy fire, Hitler, now appointed Meldeganger (a dispatch runner), stumbled across a seriously wounded officer left out in the open."
"On 4 August 1918, with the Germans in the last throes of their grand offensive, Hitler received an Iron Cross 1st Class for, 'personal bravery and general merit.' He had single handily captured a group of Frenchmen huddled in a shell hole. Cunningly, Hitler had crawled to the lip of their impromptu shelter and then shouted out to the men that they were surrounded and had better surrender. Duped by his ruse, the Frenchmen came along without a fight. Once in power, the Nazi propagandists explicitly increased the number of prisoners he had captured - a mistake that the Fuhrer was happy to leave uncorrected.
The Iron Cross First Class gave Hitler the reward, recognition and the status that he had been craving for. The prize was rare for officers - but rarer still for non-commissioned ranks. It was official recognition of his bravery, honour and, at a subconscious level, racial superiority. Whilst other Nazi leaders, most notably Goering, adorned themselves with medals, tassels and shining epaulettes, Hitler simply wore his Iron Cross - it was his badge of honour."
(http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/aslowfuse.htm)
Which goes to show that Hitler's personal bravery was indeed far higher than Dubya's.
12 Sep 05
Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboardOh, Hitler & Bush are personally responsible for many deaths, whoever did the actual execution. Although I'm hard-pressed to find any ideals that I can associate with Bush, while Hitler's are well documented.
If a man shoots another dead. Is the gun the murderer or the man?
I would say the man.
12 Sep 05
Originally posted by Bosse de NageHe claims he wants to bring democracy to the world. I doubt this but it could be true.
Oh, Hitler & Bush are personally responsible for many deaths, whoever did the actual execution. Although I'm hard-pressed to find any ideals that I can associate with Bush, while Hitler's are well documented.
12 Sep 05
Originally posted by STANGPeople have a right to defend their life, liberty and private property by force if neccessary.
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People have a right to freedom.
And violence leads to violence.
The freedom you still enjoy (It's being whittled by the collectivists, but that's another thread) is a result of brave men and women defending it. There is a moral duty to act against objective threats to our freedom.
12 Sep 05
Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboardyes it is. You only have one life to live, don't let other mess it up. Anytime your happy, there will be a balance to it. Getting true happiness means you will have to piss someone off all the time 😉
Bush kills for his ideals.
Hitler killed for his ideals.
Is this ok?
12 Sep 05
Originally posted by STANGIF everyone was good, no one would know what bad is. Then life would be dull. It makes me suicidal just thinking about it. Everything needs balance. Sometimes people need a fire lit under their butt to get up and do something.
It's not OK to kill for your ideals, nor to do lesser things for your ideals.
People have a right to freedom.
And violence leads to violence.
13 Sep 05
Originally posted by danielsmithWhat's dull and boring is the news we're going to hear at least every few weeks for the next few decades about the price of oil going up ... as if we didn't see supplies of oil coming to an end and as if we didn't have a choice to develop alternatives sooner.
IF everyone was good, no one would know what bad is. Then life would be dull. It makes me suicidal just thinking about it. Everything needs balance. Sometimes people need a fire lit under their butt to get up and do something.
The real pity is that the environment will be trashed by then.
America will no longer be a super power with all its glitzy razzle dazzle hot air by then.
Just hot air, increased sea temperatures and the hurricanes that accompany them.