14 Feb 05
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4262833.stm
I'm not sure when saying someone acts like a concentration camp guard became anti-semitic, even if the person is jewish it makes no difference?
Maybe it's because it reminds that person of the holocaust. But we are supposed to remember it aren't we?
We used to call the dinner-ladies at our school nazis all the time because they were so authoritarian, but we weren't being anti-semitic in the least.
14 Feb 05
Originally posted by VargI take offense at this. My grandfather died in a concentration camp... he fell out of a guard tower.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4262833.stm
I'm not sure when saying someone acts like a concentration camp guard became anti-semitic, even if the person is jewish it makes no difference?
Maybe it's because it reminds that person of the holocaust. But we are supposed to remember it aren't we?
We used to call the dinner-ladies at our school naz ...[text shortened]... ll the time because they were so authoritarian, but we weren't being anti-semitic in the least.
Well the joke fits.
14 Feb 05
Truly amazing.
I like this bit of the report:
Brian Coleman, the Tory chairman of the London Assembly, said: "All reasonable people think the mayor has gone too far."
First of all it is a generalisation, and when attacking someone on any grounds about anything to do with Hitler, concentration camps or discrimination, it would seem to me, to be smart to avoid any form of generalisation at all.
Second of all he's implying that if you think that they mayor did not go too far, that you're not a reasonable person.
That's offensive on its own.
Thirdly, the man in question is from a party who wants to boot all refugees out of the country (which political party doesn't anymore) after they're kept in camps to avoid them mingling with society.
I suppose he should just shut up and let me be happy.
14 Feb 05
There are two sides to this debate.
Firstly, Ken Livingston is widely known for making remarks which are deliberately intended to offend or insult.
This leads into the second point; the particular comment he made was insulting to the person in the firing line, but not aimed at his entire faith.
Is a concentration camp-related insult anti-semitic just because it was aimed at a Jew?
I don't think so.
Inappropriate and tactless, certainly, but not anti-semitic.
I believe we should do as we do with everything else Mr Livingston says, and take his remark with a large pinch of salt.
15 Feb 05
Originally posted by martin williamsMartin W: "I believe we should do as we do with everything else Mr Livingston says, and take his remark with a large pinch of salt "
There are two sides to this debate.
Firstly, Ken Livingston is widely known for making remarks which are deliberately intended to offend or insult.
This leads into the second point; the particular comment he made was insulting to the person in the firing line, but not aimed at his entire faith.
Is a concentration camp-related insult anti-semitic j ...[text shortened]... s we do with everything else Mr Livingston says, and take his remark with a large pinch of salt.
....... and throw him out
15 Feb 05
Originally posted by VargThat's ridiculous. He's called 'red' ken because he used to be such a socialist he verged on communist, thus the name RED ken. To call him a fascist is just silly. He is a very 'to the point' kind of guy, love him or hate him he's a good politician. This is just another politically correct bit of beurocracy, the kind of thing Ken loves to fly in the face of. 🙂
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4262833.stm
I'm not sure when saying someone acts like a concentration camp guard became anti-semitic, even if the person is jewish it makes no difference?
Maybe it's because it reminds that person of the holocaust. But we are supposed to remember it aren't we?
We used to call the dinner-ladies at our school naz ...[text shortened]... ll the time because they were so authoritarian, but we weren't being anti-semitic in the least.
15 Feb 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeAre you kidding!! He's great, he's the only politician i've ever known who actually put his career on the line to do the right thing. The polution in london was terrible, not to mention the congestion. He introduced the congestion charge in London in his first term and made it work! He actually improved the buses......yes IMPROVED public transport, AMAZING!! If they ever give him control of the trains we might actually move into the 21'st century in a decade or so. He can make all the flippant remarks he likes as far as im concerned, there simply isn't anyone else who's in the same league IMO.
....... and throw him out
15 Feb 05
Originally posted by marinakatombI agree, he is the least likely person to be anti-semitic. But it appears that this newspaper has a vendetta against him.
That's ridiculous. He's called 'red' ken because he used to be such a socialist he verged on communist, thus the name RED ken. To call him a fascist is just silly. He is a very 'to the point' kind of guy, love him or hate him he's a good politician. This is just another politically correct bit of beurocracy, the kind of thing Ken loves to fly in the face of. 🙂
Would it have been an insult if the person was not jewish? How was Ken to know? I assume the reporter wasn't wearing ringlets and a black hat and beard!
15 Feb 05
Originally posted by VargMaybe if he was wearing really tight pants.
I agree, he is the least likely person to be anti-semitic. But it appears that this newspaper has a vendetta against him.
Would it have been an insult if the person was not jewish? How was Ken to know? I assume the reporter wasn't wearing ringlets and a black hat and beard!
15 Feb 05
Originally posted by Vargmy ancestors had a good go at wiping out the maori people here, on a much larger scale by comparison than the nazi attempt on the jews.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4262833.stm
I'm not sure when saying someone acts like a concentration camp guard became anti-semitic, even if the person is jewish it makes no difference?
Maybe it's because it reminds that person of the holocaust. But we are supposed to remember it aren't we?
We used to call the dinner-ladies at our school naz ...[text shortened]... ll the time because they were so authoritarian, but we weren't being anti-semitic in the least.
there are no monuments erected here to 'celebrate' this historical happening
we damn near genocided the maoris out of existence
how come they dont go on and on about that? yet the jews want to make a big hooha about their genocidalhistory? are they meek weak little bustards?
round 2 soon with our brown brothers,it will be a happening soon!
15 Feb 05
Originally posted by marinakatombYou have got to be joking. Despite raising billions of pounds from the congestion charge which he said he would use to cut fares the bus fare in outer London has gone up from 70p to £1.20 in two years, a rise of over 70 per cent. If the roads are clear most divers drivers always speed to the next stop then slam on their brakes just as they reach it, you get far more shaken up and thrown around on a bus journey than on a fairground dodgem car.
He actually improved the buses......yes IMPROVED public transport, AMAZING!!
I've waited an hour or more in clear suburban streets, near to the start of a route for buses which are adverised as being every 12 minutes only for two or three to eventually come at once. I've had to walk miles home late at night because the tlast three scheduled buses on my route didn't run at all. New traffic light sequencing on some roads in central London has made a previous ten minute journey turn into an hour long crawl.
Buses regularly run red lights, are driven by drivers while using mobile phones or illegally enter box junctions without a clear exit. If the driving laws were applied as rigorously as parking regulations are then 90 per cent of drivers would lose their licence in less than a week.
16 Feb 05
Originally posted by silver fernErr, yes there is a monument actually. The British erected a monument to the Maori war dead out of respect for their courage in battle. I forget where, but i was reading about it the other day in Lawrence James's 'The rise and fall of the British Empire.' Great book, highly reccomend it to anyone in the common wealth 😉
my ancestors had a good go at wiping out the maori people here, on a much larger scale by comparison than the nazi attempt on the jews.
there are no monuments erected here to 'celebrate' this historical happening
we damn near genocided the maoris out of existence
how come they dont go on and on about that? yet the jews want to make a big hooha a ...[text shortened]... k weak little bustards?
round 2 soon with our brown brothers,it will be a happening soon!
16 Feb 05
Originally posted by SiskinI find them greatly improved. Im not happy about the increase in fare either but you can get an oyster card! I think you'll find there is no increase if you use one. The point behind it was to free the driver to drive rather than wait for people to find the correct change. As for more than one bus at a time, find me a place on earth where that doesn't happen!
You have got to be joking. Despite raising billions of pounds from the congestion charge which he said he would use to cut fares the bus fare in outer London has gone up from 70p to £1.20 in two years, a rise of over 70 per cent. If the roads are clear most divers drivers always speed to the next stop then slam on their brakes just as they reach it, you get f ...[text shortened]... arking regulations are then 90 per cent of drivers would lose their licence in less than a week.