@Sleepyguy saidBlame Trump and his servile Republicans
I mean by drawing the boundaries of the 9th district, or ANY district, for the express purpose of increasing the voting power of any particular racial group. Yes it makes sense the city of Memphis should be in one district, and yes the GOP breaking it up is an exercise raw partisan politics, just as what Dems in VA were doing. Make the argument that it should be be kept as one district for any other reason than a bunch of black people live there.
for this whole mess. Before last year, redistricting was a process virtually never done except after the census counts were completed and maps were finished and used in the next election. That's exactly what happened in 2020 and 2022.
But Trump got his lap dogs to propose and legislate lopsided, geographically absurd maps which artificially increased Republican chances for seats while simultaneously reducing the possibility of minority representation.
This caused Democrats, who had been fighting against gerrymandering for decades, to try to even the scales.
I don't feel I need to add anything regarding my position to my last post. It would be an unfortunate result in a country where racism was still widespread if legislative bodies contained only small, disproportionate members of a significant minority. That should be avoided by reasonable means.
@Sleepyguy saidClaiming you want "race out of politics" is feigned ignorance.
You want me to criticize efforts to un-gerrymander districts like the "200 mile long snake" in Louisiana that were gerrymandered in the first place with skin color as the only factor? Or the ninth district in TN which was created intentionally to create a "black stronghold?" How would that gel with my desire to get race out of politics?
The reason the VRA existed is because gerrymandering to weaken minority districts was the norm. You know that yet pretend not to.
Now you support measures that will allow diluting minority influence to continue.
Race is in politics because racial discrimination exists. Until racism disappears, steps are needed to curb the effects of racism. That's why gutting the VRA is unjust.
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@vivify saidDon't YOU want race out of politics? Isn't that the freaking goal, a society where race is irrelevant to a person's rights and we are all judged by the content of our character? Perpetual race-based policies keep us perpetually fractured along racial lines.
Claiming you want "race out of politics" is feigned ignorance.
The reason the VRA existed is because gerrymandering to weaken minority districts was the norm. You know that yet pretend not to.
Now you support measures that will allow diluting minority influence to continue.
Race is in politics because racial discrimination exists. Until racism disappears, steps are needed to curb the effects of racism. That's why gutting the VRA is unjust.
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@Sleepyguy saidPretending that racism doesn't exist and has no effect on legislative line drawing is merely a way to assure its pernicious effects continue to disadvantage minorities.
Don't YOU want race out of politics? Isn't that the freaking goal, a society where race is irrelevant to a person's rights and we are all judged by the content of our character? Perpetual race-based policies keep us perpetually fractured along racial lines.
The VRA was specifically created to address this and it was amended almost unanimously back in 1982 to correct a SCOTUS decision limiting it in the way the majority effectively did so AGAIN except more completely as it announced a bogus "test" that no gerrymandering scheme could possibly fail.
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@Sleepyguy saidBTW, the "200 mile long snake district" was only created because, in the words of Justice Alito:
You want me to criticize efforts to un-gerrymander districts like the "200 mile long snake" in Louisiana that were gerrymandered in the first place with skin color as the only factor? Or the ninth district in TN which was created intentionally to create a "black stronghold?" How would that gel with my desire to get race out of politics?
" Louisiana adopted this scheme, rather than the one used in the
Robinson illustrative maps, because it protects the Republican incumbents the State considered most important:
Speaker of the House Mike Johnson, House Majority
Leader Steve Scalise, and Appropriations Committee member Julia Letlow."
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/25pdf/24-109_21o3.pdf p. 16
The illustrated maps referred to shown on p. 15 all show the proposed minority majority district as a contiguous one extending down the eastern border of the State.
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@AverageJoe1 saidI guess it does matter to a racist like you. Who gives a rates ass that blacks make up a pretty good percentage of our population so what's wrong with stopping them from voting.
The news is all about VA having 2 courts ruled that racial gerrymandering is NOT constitutional. It is institutionalized racism. Dems say the system is broken because 'we do not like the outcome"?
Secondly, if you fellers get the House, your president (you will agree that the USA needs someone to make decisions on running the USA , so that we can play chess and wat ...[text shortened]... ng children in a playground. Get him Sonhouse!!!!! Then, what willl be your satisfaction????????
Oh, I FORGOT, They should never have been allowed to vote in the first place so all we get is WHITE votes and WHITE voters. Yep, the way it SHOULD be.
Here is what Darwin wrote when he saw slavery in Brazil and I know slavery is illegal now but the grand children and great grand kids and such are effected by Grandpa being a slave, you obviously don't know about any of that or give a crap one way or the other because WHITEY is your MO.
"Upon arriving in Brazil and witnessing slavery up close, Charles Darwin wrote:
“Near Rio de Janeiro, my neighbor across the street was an old lady who had thumb-screws with which she crushed the fingers of her slaves. In a house where I stayed before, a young mulatto servant was, every day and at all times, insulted, beaten, and pursued with a fury capable of discouraging even the lowest of animals.
I saw a child of six or seven years old struck on the head with a whip (before I could intervene) because he had served me a glass of water that was slightly muddy...
And these are things done by men who claim to love their neighbor as themselves, who believe in God, and who pray that His will be done on earth!
The blood boils in our veins and our hearts beat faster when we think that we Englishmen, and our American descendants with their boastful cry for liberty, were and are guilty of this enormous crime.”
@Sleepyguy saidYou said not long ago that you want James Comey "hung for treason". Statements like that show you may not be capable of objective, rational discourse.
You want me to criticize efforts to un-gerrymander districts like the "200 mile long snake" in Louisiana that were gerrymandered in the first place with skin color as the only factor? Or the ninth district in TN which was created intentionally to create a "black stronghold?" How would that gel with my desire to get race out of politics?
Your mind is made up: if MAGA wants it, you want it. Including race-based politics from a president who falsely claimed Haitians were eating pets. This is the man you want people "hung" for.
There is no reasoning with you.
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I want Comey hung for treason at the Super Bowl half time show for all to enjoy.
You just may be beyond reason.
@vivify saidhung for treason a figure of speech. federal law does not utitlize hanging, dont you see. You were supposed to get from that that he, like me, wants him to serve time at least, face punishment, ruined lives,, lied to our courts, weaponized his stuff, dont you know. I note that you have never posted any disdain for the basterd. Why not? You are to him as Shouse is to Trump. Creepy stuff. Give us your slant on Trump having said that he 'obliterated ' the Iranian facility. Dont worry you are not alone, another of us here had trouble with that on.
You said not long ago that you want James Comey "hung for treason". Statements like that show you may not be capable of objective, rational discourse.
Your mind is made up: if MAGA wants it, you want it. Including race-based politics from a president who falsely claimed Haitians were eating pets. This is the man you want people "hung" for.
There is no reasoning with you.
I got both of them myslef!
@vivify saidA bit of hyperbole. It doesn't have to be at the Super Bowl.
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I want Comey hung for treason at the Super Bowl half time show for all to enjoy.
You just may be beyond reason.
@no1marauder saidWhat is “black voting strength”?
The Virginia courts ruled no such thing; they ruled that the redistricting plan approved by the voters wasn't valid because of technical reasons having to do with the timing of the last election.
Racial gerrymandering is what right wing States are doing now to dilute Black voting strength.
I thought everyone was entitled to one vote, regardless of race. Is there some blacks that can’t vote?
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@Mott-The-Hoople saidAlready explained but let's take Louisiana.
What is “black voting strength”?
I thought everyone was entitled to one vote, regardless of race. Is there some blacks that can’t vote?
Blacks in the US vote about 90% for Democratic candidates including in Louisiana.
Blacks are about 1/3 of the population in Louisiana and they are highly concentrated in a few urban areas.
Louisiana has 6 seats in the US House Of Representatives.
So a fair Congressional map of that State would tend to produce seats with a likelihood of electing 4 Republicans and 2 Democrats given the geography and demographics. And most likely those Democrats would be Blacks since most Democrats in the State are.
So when Republicans drew Congressional maps which ignore geographic and demographic reality which have the sole purpose of increasing GOP representation, they are deliberately diluting Black voter preferences and reducing Black representation both in violation of the VRA.
@no1marauder saidThat is NOT RELEVANT.
Already explained but let's take Louisiana.
Blacks in the US vote about 90% for Democratic candidates
Treating black individuals as one large block belonging to the Democrats strips away their independence and individuality, effectively erasing black conservatives, libertarians etc. Drawing lines on maps based on the assumption that race determines political preference institutionalizes racial division.
@Sleepyguy saidExcept when Republicans do it to reduce the effectiveness of Black voting and limit their representation. It's surely "relevant" for those purposes.
That is NOT RELEVANT.
Treating black individuals as one large block belonging to the Democrats strips away their independence and individuality, effectively erasing black conservatives, libertarians etc. Drawing lines on maps based on the assumption that race determines political preference institutionalizes racial division.
Reading the whole post usually helps.
@no1marauder saidYeah I read it all. Goes like this:
Except when Republicans do it to reduce the effectiveness of Black voting and limit their representation. It's surely "relevant" for those purposes.
Reading the whole post usually helps.
Because blacks vote for Democrats, Democrats are owed two seats.