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31 Dec 05
31 Dec 05
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I have been told that one cannot self-asphyxiate oneself in this manner because at some point the body's panic reflex takes over and the person would tear the bag off his head. It's similiar to someone sticking their head in water trying to drown themselves. Anybody in the healthcare field out there want to address this question (links would be helpful, too)?
31 Dec 05
Originally posted by no1marauderDon't do it, no1: you have so much to look forward to, still.
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I have been told that one cannot self-asphyxiate oneself in this manner because at some point the body's panic reflex takes over and the person would tear the bag off his head. It's similiar to someone sticking their head in water trying to drown themselves. Anybody in the healthcare field out there want to address this question (links would be helpful, too)?
31 Dec 05
Originally posted by no1marauderI'm not a health-care professional, but the only way I can see this is if he was knocked out on something like sleeping pills.
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I have been told that one cannot self-asphyxiate oneself in this manner because at some point the body's panic reflex takes over and the person would tear the bag off his head. It's similiar to someone sticking their head in water trying to drown themselves. Anybody in the healthcare field out there want to address this question (links would be helpful, too)?
01 Jan 06
Originally posted by no1marauderIt's quite possible because there is a very fine line between consciousness and unconsciousness, and I mean a very fine line. If he was determined to kill himself this way, all he had to do was to reach the unconsciousness level, cross over, and their would be no return. You are right that most of us would rip the bag off of our heads before we passed out, but when one is determinined to die, they suppress the fear just long enough to reach unconsciousness, which could mean the difference of a second or two. Many you men are killing themselves accidentally by a procedure called auto-erotica, where the person ties a cord around his neck, or even a plastic bag, start masturbating and when the moment of climax approaches, they tighten the cord or bag and allow themselves to come to the precipice of unconsciousness and are supposed to have an indesribable orgasm. The problem with this is that many of them are crossing that very fine line between consciousness and unconsciousness, and going unconscious with a cord tightly around your neck or a bag securely affixed over your head is the way you will be discoverd...only you will be dead. I advise NOBODY to do this or even tinker with it with others present who may or may not not have a knowledge of life-saving rescusitating skills. Once unconscious, nothing is guaranteed and death is a real possibility. I hope I answered your question.
http://www.wnyt.com/x6425.xml?ag=x995&sb=x183
I have been told that one cannot self-asphyxiate oneself in this manner because at some point the body's panic reflex takes over and the person would tear the bag off his head. It's similiar to someone sticking their head in water trying to drown themselves. Anybody in the healthcare field out there want to address this question (links would be helpful, too)?
01 Jan 06
Originally posted by chancremechanicWell thanks Chance; I was hoping you'd give your opinion. The thing is I know that he wasn't taking any sleeping pills or using any type of aid to muzzle his consciousness so I still find it hard tio believe anybody could actually commit suicide in this manner. Do you know of cases where someone self-asphixated themselves in this way?? I leave out the "auto-erotica" cases because those people (sick as they are) aren't trying to commit suicide, whereas the immediate reaction from the Sheriff's Department was this was a suicide.
It's quite possible because there is a very fine line between consciousness and unconsciousness, and I mean a very fine line. If he was determined to kill himself this way, all he had to do was to reach the unconsciousness level, cross over, and their would be no return. You are right that most of us would rip the bag off of our heads before we pas ...[text shortened]... cious, nothing is guaranteed and death is a real possibility. I hope I answered your question.
I'm sure it'll come up so NO I wasn't representing this person. I heard about the case because my sister works in the jail. If you have any links to someone committing suicide in this manner, I'd like to see them. Thanks.
01 Jan 06
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Originally posted by no1marauderMaybe the commitee [as in the person committing suicide] put the bags on so that they wouldn't be easily removed - you know plan for the eventuality of ripping them off...
Well thanks Chance; I was hoping you'd give your opinion. The thing is I know that he wasn't taking any sleeping pills or using any type of aid to muzzle his consciousness so I still find it hard tio believe anybody could actually commit suicide in this manner. Do you know of cases where someone self-asphixated themselves in this way?? I leave out the "a any links to someone committing suicide in this manner, I'd like to see them. Thanks.
I guess it's like people who gas themselves in their cars - they could just get out - no?
01 Jan 06
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Originally posted by no1marauderScotty boy had a good example: corbon monoxide asphyxsiation, where one just gets sleepy and falls asleep (unconscious) and never wakes up.....I suppose one could leave a small slit in the bag, just enough to be able to breathe enough O2 to go to sleep, and as the night wears on and the person's breathing slows, the levels of CO2 builds up to the point wear he/she slowly drifts into onconciousness during sleep and never awakens. There are some caves and holes in the earth or voids on ships where you can walk just 4 or 5 feet into them and the next thing you know, you are unconconscious forever without the slightest warning. Our lungs are are set to be able to deal with the atmospheric oxygen content of about 21%. We breath in about 16%. When we breathe in, we are compensating the unbalance of the outside atmosphere to what's in our lungs to get an equal or slightly higher presssure than the outside. When we exhale, we are simply equalizing pressure with the outside...sort of like a see-sawing effect. With a bag over our head, this crucial balance seems to be upset. We breathe out, yet don't breath enough O2 into our system to place 4 molocules of Heme onto each blood cell, which is responsible for transferring O2 to all tissues of our body, especially the brain. Eventualy, the CO2 ratio to O2 is higher, our brain can't get 02, and we get sleepy, and eventually unconscious(there's that word again). This is just a rough example of what 'probably' happens, but if there are some physiologists, doctors, etc...out there to concur or refute, please feel free......
Well thanks Chance; I was hoping you'd give your opinion. The thing is I know that he wasn't taking any sleeping pills or using any type of aid to muzzle his consciousness so I still find it hard tio believe anybody could actually commit suicide in this manner. Do you know of cases where someone self-asphixated themselves in this way?? I leave out the "a any links to someone committing suicide in this manner, I'd like to see them. Thanks.
01 Jan 06
Sounds gruesome, it may have been a case of attention-seeking going too far. I know one female Lifer who was on suicide Obs every ten minutes who managed to get a cord around her neck...it twisted and ended up choking on her own vomit. Chances are she probably never intended to die at all (she had a certain notoriety for this kind of thing), let alone in such an horrific way.
02 Jan 06
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Originally posted by no1marauderI would have agreed with you especially since one of the stages of asphyxiation is convulsing. Anyway..this link might be of help.
http://www.wnyt.com/x6425.xml?ag=x995&sb=x183
I have been told that one cannot self-asphyxiate oneself in this manner because at some point the body's panic reflex takes over and the person would tear the bag off his head. It's similiar to someone sticking their head in water trying to drown themselves. Anybody in the healthcare field out there want to address this question (links would be helpful, too)?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10855966&dopt=Abstract
Found this other link which is better. Apparently it is very unusual http://www.jmir.org/2002/3/e18/l.