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Originally posted by AThousandYoungYou are assuming of course that Bush is a Christian. He was quoted as saying he was going to ride the evangelicals into the White House and he was laughed at for that. You know, being stupid and all. Now you could take this in one of two ways. You could see him as a politician who is an evangelical trying to get elected or you can see him as a politician who was exposed to the evengelical movement and discovered their potential in terms of trying to get elected and capitalized on them in order to get elected.
Of course this is talking about the Sun going out and the world illuminated by light from the Lord! It's about the End Times which a lot of American Protestants think are occuring now! That's the whole point!
My premise is that the US should not have a Christian President. If there's a religion with a holy book that says "all nations must obey the uential men like Orel Roberts, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell have preached this nonsense.
Tell me this, if Bush is all about Israel and the Bible, why is he pressuring Israel to conceed even more land to the Palestians and then create a Palestinian state within the borders of the original land of Israel mentioned in the Bible?
Originally posted by whodeyOh Dear...
Don't be so hard on him, history is not his best subject.
http://atheism.about.com/library/quotes/bl_q_GWashington.htm
Now, take into account that what Washington was saying was spoken hundreds of years ago...
"As the contempt of the religion of a country by ridiculing any of its ceremonies, or affronting its ministers or votaries, has ever been deeply resented, you are to be particularly careful to restrain every officer from such imprudence and folly, and to punish every instance of it. On the other hand, as far as lies in your power, you are to protect and support the free exercise of religion of the country, and the undisturbed enjoyment of the rights of conscience in religious matters, with your utmost influence and authority."
"..I beg you be persuaded that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution."
"There is nothing which can better deserve our patronage than the promotion of science and literature. Knowledge is in every country the surest basis of public happiness."
I already started my answer on Washington mentioning that I thought he was an agnostic. Never did I mention that I was sure.
But it seems a god-awful lot of historians agree with me on the matter.
Originally posted by smw6869I'm sure it bothers some that post here that American Presidents when they are sworn in , place their hand on a Bible and swear to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, so help them God. Or that American currency carries the words, In God we Trust.
Agnostics don't chop down cherry trees, nor do terrorists.
GRANNY.
How awful is that i ask you.
Originally posted by shavixmirwell as a freemason myself, I have some knowledge on the subject ( as a matter of interest). George Washington, would had have to have made a declaration of a belief in diety, or he would not have been allowed to take his "degrees". He also would have needed 6 people to vouch for him, and they would be asked if they thought Washington believed in God or not.
Prove it.
Many of our founding fathers believed in God, but not organised religion.
Originally posted by duecerOf course being a freemason and also a Christian is impossible.
well as a freemason myself, I have some knowledge on the subject ( as a matter of interest). George Washington, would had have to have made a declaration of a belief in diety, or he would not have been allowed to take his "degrees". He also would have needed 6 people to vouch for him, and they would be asked if they thought Washington believed in God or not.
Many of our founding fathers believed in God, but not organised religion.
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Originally posted by SMSBear716It's unpleasant. It's not how things were set up. The rise of political Christianity in this country did that. For example, the Knights of Columbus.
I'm sure it bothers some that post here that American Presidents when they are sworn in , place their hand on a Bible and swear to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, so help them God. Or that American currency carries the words, In God we Trust.
How awful is that i ask you.
Anyway, isn't there a Congressman who swore upon the Koran? I thought I heard something about it.
Also, you should read this:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0720/p02s02-usju.html