Originally posted by dottewellI don't support independence because I am a nationalist.
I'm also genuinely interested to know how your socialism fits with your nationalism.
I support it because I am a socialist.
I support self-determination for all people - Scots, English, Palestinians etc etc. If Scots want to run our own country, we should do so. If we want to remain in the UK, so be it.
I also support independence as an anti-imperialist measure. We'd weaken the ability of the UK to engage in wars around the world, and we'd hopefully have a new, progressive nation in Europe.
It isn't just nationalists who support independence.
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Originally posted by twhiteheadThe sentence "But lets be honest, they don't HAVE to let Scotland go. "
Why did you assume he was talking about Scotland? Why isn't anyone suggesting that England gets out of the Union? ie 'letting England go'
was a bit of a clue.
England has the same right to leave the union as Scotland. There just doesn't seem the same political will to do so.
Originally posted by RedmikeSeems odd that a country asserting its independence would invite another government to make a few rules for them. I'm bias against globalony of course, I don't even like NATO.
Scotland is in the EU, and if we became independant, we'd stay in it, as a full member.
Sure this isn't at least partially a way to get a bigger piece of the EU pie or something?
Originally posted by MerkFor some people, for example in the fishing communities, getting a proper hearing at the EU (rather than just being one Scot on the UK delegation) is a factor in favour of independence.
Seems odd that a country asserting its independence would invite another government to make a few rules for them. I'm bias against globalony of course, I don't even like NATO.
Sure this isn't at least partially a way to get a bigger piece of the EU pie or something?
There are all sorts of different reasons people are supporting independence. This sort of EU arguement is a factor for some people, I'm sure.
Originally posted by RedmikeWait a second. The EU regulates fishing?
For some people, for example in the fishing communities, getting a proper hearing at the EU (rather than just being one Scot on the UK delegation) is a factor in favour of independence.
There are all sorts of different reasons people are supporting independence. This sort of EU arguement is a factor for some people, I'm sure.
Originally posted by RedmikeFair enough.
I don't support independence because I am a nationalist.
I support it because I am a socialist.
I support self-determination for all people - Scots, English, Palestinians etc etc. If Scots want to run our own country, we should do so. If we want to remain in the UK, so be it.
I also support independence as an anti-imperialist measure. We'd weaken th ...[text shortened]... a new, progressive nation in Europe.
It isn't just nationalists who support independence.
Originally posted by MerkYes. They set quotas for different kinds of fish etc.
Wait a second. The EU regulates fishing?
Scottish trawlers can only go to sea a specified number of days each year. I think they control net size and overall catch etc.
Otherwise the North Sea would be empty.
Not something I know a vast amount about though.
Originally posted by RedmikeOh No! The EU is worse then I thought! If I was Scotland, I would tell the EU to pound sand so I could make my own rules. But, like I said, I think it's absolutely criminal to allow the French and Germans to govern the Scotch.
Yes. They set quotas for different kinds of fish etc.
Scottish trawlers can only go to sea a specified number of days each year. I think they control net size and overall catch etc.
Otherwise the North Sea would be empty.
Not something I know a vast amount about though.
Originally posted by MerkNot wishing to be pedantic, but Scotch is a drink. The people are Scots, or Scottish.
Oh No! The EU is worse then I thought! If I was Scotland, I would tell the EU to pound sand so I could make my own rules. But, like I said, I think it's absolutely criminal to allow the French and Germans to govern the Scotch.
There's little or no political call for getting out of the UK - either on a UK or Scottish basis. We have one openly anti-eu party on the right - the UK Independence Party.
In terms of the fishing issue, we need to have some sort of international agreement to prevent over-fishing - the EU's as good as any other body to do this.
If you're opposed to that sort of co-operation, that's fair enough. But nobody in Europe, apart from some on the far right, has any sort of problem with this.
Originally posted by RedmikeI know Scotch is the drink. I use it as a bit of humor.
Not wishing to be pedantic, but Scotch is a drink. The people are Scots, or Scottish.
There's little or no political call for getting out of the UK - either on a UK or Scottish basis. We have one openly anti-eu party on the right - the UK Independence Party.
In terms of the fishing issue, we need to have some sort of international agreement to prevent ...[text shortened]... . But nobody in Europe, apart from some on the far right, has any sort of problem with this.
My thing is that it certainly doesn't seem like, say Turkey (If they ever close the deal) should have any say in what gets fished in the North Sea. Does the EU have a sub-committe or something that deals with this?