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@sh76 saidSurviving something doesn't mean it was "totally harmless". Scores of people overwhelmed hospitals and were on ventilators.
COVID has a survival rate well over 99%, his statement is defensible.
https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/resources/covid-vs-hantavirus.html#:~:text=Although%20most%20healthy%20people%20will,19%20may%20require%20hospitalization.
1 in 5 young people who contracted COVID were hospitalized.
https://consumer.healthday.com/one-in-five-patients-hospitalized-with-covid-19-dies-2649445829.html
Of the total number of people hospitalized due to COVID, 1 in 5 died.
"Totally harmless".
@vivify said===1 in 5 young people who contracted COVID were hospitalized.===
Surviving something doesn't mean it was "totally harmless". Scores of people overwhelmed hospitals and were on ventilators.
https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/resources/covid-vs-hantavirus.html#:~:text=Although%20most%20healthy%20people%20will,19%20may%20require%20hospitalization.
1 in 5 young people who contracted COVID were hospitalized.
https://consumer.healthday.co ...[text shortened]... html
Of the total number of people hospitalized due to COVID, 1 in 5 died.
"Totally harmless".
Balderdash! That quote is exactly the sort of misinformation CNN was guilty of last March. But at least they could claim to not know any better. After a year of COVID, there's no excuse to engage in such scaremongering. Note that even the CDC site uses the weasel words "up to" and "may." Whoever wrote that crap doesn't really believe it.
To be sure, cumulative hospitalizations is a hard number to pin down, but this estimate has it at under a million:
https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_coronavirus_hospitalizations
Adding the cumulative hospitalizations on this chart also is under a million, though some states are not represented.
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/number-of-covid-19-hospitalizations-state-by-state-july-15.html
This UNM tracker also pegs the number at under a million, though again some states are not represented.
https://carlsonschool.umn.edu/mili-misrc-covid19-tracking-project
But let's say, for arguments sake, that the number is actually 2 million (which, I'll grant, is a reasonable extrapolation since those sources are almost certainly underestimates). Or even let's say it's 3 million (it's probably not, but let's say).
The US has confirmed 30 million COVID infections. Everyone agrees that the number of unconfirmed infections must be several times that. 100 million total infections is a very conservative estimate. That would be something like a 2-3% hospitalization rate.
Among young adults, that has to be lower, as it's well documented that older people are at much higher risk.
Finally, anecdotally, we all know intuitively that the 20% scaremonger is insane. I don't know about where you live, but where I live, something like half the people I know have had COVID at one point or another. And if it's not half, it's a third. Most of us are probably in similar situations, unless we live in Australia or Korea or live in a bubble Zoomocracy.
I personally know well over 100 people who have had COVID. I probably know fewer people who have NOT had COVID than who have. Of those, a grand total of 4 have been hospitalized. Only one was under the age of 60 and he is morbidly obese. My neighbors, friends, cousins, siblings, etc. Many or most of them have had COVID.
Even assuming my circle is an outlier, it's not THAT much of an outlier. The idea that one in five young adults who get COVID are hospitalized is insane.
The over-all hospitalization rate is probably 2-3%. For young people, it's probably 1% or less.
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@Duchess64
Can you point to a link saying the US condemns China and Russia for not fully testing their vaccines?
And BTW, please don't take this as an attack. I want to see the links.
@Duchess64
You really come of full bore hatred of the US.
I am in caretaker mode right now with very ill wife so I apologize for not seeing all the news about china viruses. But of course that will just be taken by you as an excuse since all Americans should follow all the world news.
@Duchess64
Like I said, you ALWAYS view anything I say as an attack. That was NOT an attack, I wanted to see links. And it also doesn't matter my time is not my own. So take your hatred and stick it up your ass.
@sh76 saidWho started this thread on June 28th, 2020:
You're mistaking my quoting of the Stanford study for an "insistence."
I'll estimate now that the actual IFR throughout the pandemic was probably about .5%, but now it's much, much lower. In March, 2020, it may have been as high as 0.8 or 0.9%. But due to better treatments and the fact that the overburdened NY hospital system led to an outsized IFR last Spring, the IFR now is ...[text shortened]... age last March said over and over again that 4-6% of people who get COVID die. Hence my 10x comment.
"NC antibody study implies 0.125% COVID IFR"? https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/debates/nc-antibody-study-implies-0-125percent-covid-ifr.185925
If you're a masochist, you can read over your posts and mine for the first four pages of that thread.
Incidentally, I believe the actual number of COVID deaths has been significantly understated in the US, largely because many early deaths were misdiagnosed as pneumonia. The CDC estimates there were over 190,000 pneumonia deaths without COVID in 2020/21. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
But in a typical year, pneumonia kills only 50,000 or so in the US. https://www.cdc.gov/dotw/pneumonia/index.html
No one has given a logical reason why pneumonia deaths should have tripled from normal levels in the last 15 months. This would also help to explain much of the 13% increase in mortality over 2020 in the US. https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/excess-mortality-across-countries-in-2020/
@sh76 saidI don't have that data.
How many documented cases are there of in-school COVID transmission that led to death?
But are you claiming that being in a school grants some sort of immunity as compared to being in other crowded, indoor activity (which are recognized as being particularly dangerous in spreading COVID)?
@sh76 saidhttps://www.businessinsider.com/billionaire-president-donald-trump-net-worth-spending-2018-11#per-forbes-donald-trump-is-worth-an-estimated-21-billion-1
He could have been more straight with people in February about the danger rather than downplaying it to try to avoid economic hits (which is exactly what he said he did to Bob Woodward).
"As recently as March (2020), Trump was worth an estimated $3.1 billion, but his fortune took a $1 billion hit due to the coronavirus pandemic."
Trump was recorded lying about the pandemic: this is why.
@sh76 saidsh76: Elderly people typically don't have school-aged children in any case.
"lack of a coherent pandemic policy and lax compliance from the public" is really a separate issue from school closings. You want to rip those things too, go ahead. But opening primary schools is a concrete thing that should have been done (and was done in many places).
===It’s easy to make up a lost year of school. You can’t get back a dead loved one.===
First, it's reall ...[text shortened]... aged children by virtue of their children attending school, I think it would be less than 1/10,000.
"One in 10 American children (a total of 7.5 million children) was living in a household with at least one grandparent."
"In particular, however, 2.7 million grandparents carried the primary responsibility of caring for their grandchildren and meeting their basic needs, representing nearly 40 percent of grandparents who reside with a grandchild (data from U.S. Census, 2010)."
https://www.ag.ndsu.edu/publications/home-farm/when-grandparents-become-parents-to-their-grandchildren#section-1
@sh76 saidThe People aren't as insistent that schools should reopen as you are now and certainly weren't so supportive last year:
In March or April of 2020, perhaps that was a major factor.
By August, the vast majority of parents who were given the option did send their children to school.
Those schools that are still closed are closed due to government fiat, not due to parents' choices.
"While 40 percent of survey respondents said that schools should reopen as soon as possible, a majority — 59 percent — said that if campuses are currently closed, they should stay that way until all teachers are offered the vaccine."
https://www.the74million.org/new-pew-research-polling-on-school-reopening-shows-concerns-shifting-from-virus-spread-to-learning-loss/
And the same poll found members of minority communities disproportionately victims of COVID far less enthusiastic:
"Just 19 percent of Black adults said that schools should reopen as soon as possible compared with 48 percent of whites. While two-thirds of lower-income adults believe that schools should wait to reopen, the issue was more divisive among their more affluent neighbors."