23 Jan 07
I read in a newspaper today that in Michigan, U.S. it's been suggested that if
you have out of marriage sex, you can be sent to jail by the court of law.
Naturally, I just burst out in a spontaneous loud laugh, but then I thought
(with the crazy religious right operating in the US) that it might actually
be true.
Is it? 😕
23 Jan 07
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Originally posted by stockenSee, to me this is all part of the problem in America. After we won our independence we put together the constitution and the bill of rights. These were all drafted with the religion of Christianity in mind. Thus the pledge of all alligiance. I pledge the alligiance to the flag of the United Ststes of America, and to the republic for which it stands ONE NATION UNDER GOD. Everyone now is using the constitution and bill of right against what it all was brought up to stand for.
I read in a newspaper today that in Michigan, U.S. it's been suggested that if
you have out of marriage sex, you can be sent to jail by the court of law.
Edit: I know everyone is saying oh no then I would loose my internet and my cell phone. OH NO WHAT A TRAGEDY>
Naturally, I just burst out in a spontaneous loud laugh, but then I thought
(with the crazy religious right operating in the US) that it might actually
be true.
Is it? 😕
Then of course we took disapline out of the American homes and came up with this stupid time out sh@t. Now this country is loosing its lawlessness every day, because people only think of themselves instead of the good of the country in which they live in. Except for the fact of slavery, I would take the 1950's over this day and age anytime.
23 Jan 07
Originally posted by torch71I thought the 'one nation under god' bit was recent.
See, to me this is all part of the problem in America. After we won our independence we put together the constitution and the bill of rights. These were all drafted with the religion of Christianity in mind. Thus the pledge of all alligiance. I pledge the alligiance to the flag of the United Ststes of America, and to the republic for which it stands ONE NATI ...[text shortened]... live in. Except for the fact of slavery, I would take the 1950's over this day and age anytime.
I'd have thought 'loosing its lawlessness' would be a good thing? Do you want more lawlessness?
'Except for the fact of slavery, I would take the 1950's over this day and age anytime' Was there still slavery in the 1950s?
23 Jan 07
Originally posted by RedmikeI remember it as "one Nation INDIVISIBLE .. etc.
I thought the 'one nation under god' bit was recent.
I'd have thought 'loosing its lawlessness' would be a good thing? Do you want more lawlessness?
'Except for the fact of slavery, I would take the 1950's over this day and age anytime' Was there still slavery in the 1950s?
The "under God" was added at sometime in the 50s or 60s, not sure when.
No slavery in the 50's .. just de facto slavery. Segregation in most phases of society was still firmly in place. Jim Crow Laws in the Southern States.
The foot was right down on that back.
...and I didn't pick up on it 'til I went to school with poor black kids.
It was like this .. I was poor myself, but I wasn't black.
Big difference. Even as a child I could see that much.
I've said this before in this forum. I was brought up to be a stonecold racist .. it just didn't stick. Anyone should be able to see what BS it is. If you have a soul, you see that IMO.
For me all it took was being exposed to black kids to begin to question the way things were.
That .. and being exposed to Religion at the same time.
I took 'em seriously.
Either Jesus was full of crap .. or my father was.
Tough choice for an 11 yr old.
23 Jan 07
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Originally posted by RedmikeI thought the 'one nation under god' bit was recent. If 60 years is recent
I thought the 'one nation under god' bit was recent.
I'd have thought 'loosing its lawlessness' would be a good thing? Do you want more lawlessness?
'Except for the fact of slavery, I would take the 1950's over this day and age anytime' Was there still slavery in the 1950s?
I'd have thought 'loosing its lawlessness' would be a good thing? Do you want more lawlessness? Sorry my bad, I should have read it before I submitted. But you know the point, don't you?
'Except for the fact of slavery, I would take the 1950's over this day and age anytime' Was there still slavery in the 1950s?Not so much as slavery its more all the predudice, but you might as well call it slavery they were paid next to nothing for thier work, had to sit on the backs of the bus, couldn't drink out of the same fountains as whites.
23 Jan 07
Originally posted by jammerGreat post. are there 2 jammers?
I remember it as "one Nation INDIVISIBLE .. etc.
The "under God" was added at sometime in the 50s or 60s, not sure when.
No slavery in the 50's .. just de facto slavery. Segregation in most phases of society was still firmly in place. Jim Crow Laws in the Southern States.
The foot was right down on that back.
...and I didn't pick up on it 'til I wen ...[text shortened]... y.
Either Jesus was full of crap .. or my father was.
Tough choice for an 11 yr old.
Don't stop the story!
Tough for an 11 year old, you bet.
What did you do?
I have a very religious mum (who I think is a great person). I can never face up to her even today and tell her how stupid I think some of her views are.
23 Jan 07
Well, IMO, I'm for it!
It seems that alot of people do not want to be held accountable for their actions. If you are commited to someone or something (country, religion, family, whatever...) and have taken an oath to it, then why not! People seem to fall in and out of marriage, just to do it, cuz' it's cool, not as a lifetime commitment. If it's not for you, get a divorce first, don't cheat on your spouse! That's wrong!
23 Jan 07
Originally posted by Dace AceI think it has alot to do with the me me me era we are living in.
Well, IMO, I'm for it!
It seems that alot of people do not want to be held accountable for their actions. If you are commited to someone or something (country, religion, family, whatever...) and have taken an oath to it, then why not! People seem to fall in and out of marriage, just to do it, cuz' it's cool, not as a lifetime commitment. If it's not for you, get a divorce first, don't cheat on your spouse! That's wrong!
I am for the pledge.
I have been withe the same girl for 16 years and never cheated. Been married for 14 of those years.
But I believe divorice isn't the answer. My wife and I had problems that were close to a divorce 7 years ago and went through counseling and it all worked out once we figured out how to talk to one another. Work at it first!!😉
23 Jan 07
Originally posted by stockenIf this is true then Michigan better start building prisons. And never stop.
I read in a newspaper today that in Michigan, U.S. it's been suggested that if
you have out of marriage sex, you can be sent to jail by the court of law.
Naturally, I just burst out in a spontaneous loud laugh, but then I thought
(with the crazy religious right operating in the US) that it might actually
be true.
Is it? 😕
And don't forget to raise taxes to pay for'em.
23 Jan 07
Originally posted by Dace AceI don't get it. How can the rules of a church be allowed to affect politics
Well, IMO, I'm for it!
It seems that alot of people do not want to be held accountable for their actions. If you are commited to someone or something (country, religion, family, whatever...) and have taken an oath to it, then why not! People seem to fall in and out of marriage, just to do it, cuz' it's cool, not as a lifetime commitment. If it's not for you, get a divorce first, don't cheat on your spouse! That's wrong!
so blatantly obvious? (If indeed it's true - I still haven't seen a source I
trust.) A church should have nothing to do with governing the state in a
secular society. A church should only provide spiritual guidance, and only
to those whom wish it. Take me for example. I'm not a Christian, and I'll
be damned if I'd allow a group of religious freaks (sorry but that's what
those fundies are to me) tell me what to do and not to do. The courts
should not be influenced by religious motives, but look at what's best for
society as a whole. To commit adultery is hardly a crime. It may be
considered foolish, but it's certainly not a crime. What next? Dancing with
someone else's partner? Looking at them? What?
Nae, it's a ridiculous notion, and I hope for you Michigan dwelling folks
it's not really true. It would be like the first step towards a religious state,
and we've all seen or read about what happens when a religious group
enjoy too much political power. All of a sudden, everybody (believers or
not) must comply with their stupid ideas.
Hubba!
23 Jan 07
Originally posted by stockenI guess that all societies have to base right & wrong on something. Like it or not, the 10 Commandments is the basis for us. If that wasn' t used, what would we use?
I don't get it. How can the rules of a church be allowed to affect politics
so blatantly obvious? (If indeed it's true - I still haven't seen a source I
trust.) A church should have nothing to do with governing the state in a
secular society. A church should only provide spiritual guidance, and only
to those whom wish it. Take me for example. I'm not ...[text shortened]... dden, everybody (believers or
not) must comply with their stupid ideas.
Hubba!