Originally posted by stockenThe "...crazy religious right running America?" You're kidding right? The Dems control the schools, the colleges, the courts, the House and the Senate. You need to read a paper sometime, oh wait, they control those too. My bad.
I read in a newspaper today that in Michigan, U.S. it's been suggested that if
you have out of marriage sex, you can be sent to jail by the court of law.
Naturally, I just burst out in a spontaneous loud laugh, but then I thought
(with the crazy religious right operating in the US) that it might actually
be true.
Is it? 😕
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Originally posted by torch71They had slaves in the '50s? Oh wait, you're talking about the 1850s, right?
See, to me this is all part of the problem in America. After we won our independence we put together the constitution and the bill of rights. These were all drafted with the religion of Christianity in mind. Thus the pledge of all alligiance. I pledge the alligiance to the flag of the United Ststes of America, and to the republic for which it stands ONE NATI ...[text shortened]... live in. Except for the fact of slavery, I would take the 1950's over this day and age anytime.
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Originally posted by stockenBecause in America we're not all heathens like you Europeans. And if you think it's bad over here, then wait until they install Sharia across the nations of the EU, you'll really pine for the good ole days of the Inquisition.
I don't get it. How can the rules of a church be allowed to affect politics
so blatantly obvious? (If indeed it's true - I still haven't seen a source I
trust.) A church should have nothing to do with governing the state in a
secular society. A church should only provide spiritual guidance, and only
to those whom wish it. Take me for example. I'm not dden, everybody (believers or
not) must comply with their stupid ideas.
Hubba!
Originally posted by Dace AceThey aren't, though, are they? Even if you outlaw adultery you've still got several commandments that aren't enforced legally.
I guess that all societies have to base right & wrong on something. Like it or not, the 10 Commandments is the basis for us. If that wasn' t used, what would we use?
Originally posted by mtthwbasis:
They aren't, though, are they? Even if you outlaw adultery you've still got several commandments that aren't enforced legally.
1. the bottom or base of anything; the part on which something stands or rests.
2. anything upon which something is based; fundamental principle; groundwork.
Originally posted by stockenMight I bother you so much as to ask which newspaper?
I read in a newspaper today that in Michigan, U.S. it's been suggested that if
you have out of marriage sex, you can be sent to jail by the court of law.
Naturally, I just burst out in a spontaneous loud laugh, but then I thought
(with the crazy religious right operating in the US) that it might actually
be true.
Is it? 😕
And did it say when the law was written? There are many old relics on the books today that never get applied.
Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter?
The "...crazy religious right running America?" You're kidding right? The Dems control the schools, the colleges, the courts, the House and the Senate.
I didn't say the religious right were running america (though you have
to wonder). I said they were operating in America. It's more like they're
trying to change things for their better (ID in schools comes to mind).
The democrats controlling schools and all is what you say because you're
pissed ID isn't taught by standard. But guess what: It's not science. It
belongs in theology (if that's the name you use for religious studies over
there).
Originally posted by stockenInteresting.
I don't get it. How can the rules of a church be allowed to affect politics
so blatantly obvious? (If indeed it's true - I still haven't seen a source I
trust.) A church should have nothing to do with governing the state in a
secular society. A church should only provide spiritual guidance, and only
to those whom wish it. Take me for example. I'm not ...[text shortened]... dden, everybody (believers or
not) must comply with their stupid ideas.
Hubba!
Many of the laws of Sweden do have a religious background. Ten commandments being the basis. Adultery in some cases has all the elements of fraud and possibly even theft if you really go into it a bit deeper than you should and those are certainly crimes. I can conceivably see adultery as a crime though can't think of any punishment that makes any sense.
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterSo, let me see: I object to the idea that one religious group would be
Because in America we're not all heathens like you Europeans. And if you think it's bad over here, then wait until they install Sharia across the nations of the EU, you'll really pine for the good ole days of the Inquisition.
allowed to gain political power, and you think I would abide by sharia law? 🙄
Let's put it this way, if I notice even a hint over here that a religious group is
trying to do what the Christian fundies over there is trying to do, I won't be
sitting on my spanked arse and do nothing. And I know there's a lot of
people with me on this one (sane Christians and Muslims included).
Again: Religion has no place in politics. It's a personal matter and it should
be up to each individual to choose for him/herself if it makes sense or not.
Originally posted by WheelyYes, the ten commandments has had a great influence on how people
Interesting.
Many of the laws of Sweden do have a religious background. Ten commandments being the basis. Adultery in some cases has all the elements of fraud and possibly even theft if you really go into it a bit deeper than you should and those are certainly crimes. I can conceivably see adultery as a crime though can't think of any punishment that makes any sense.
here in the west think and act, even atheists. But, last time I looked,
adultery was not illegal in this country and I really don't think it should
be. When laws are decided upon, it shouldn't be because a large group
of people points to a work of fiction, claiming that their God says we
should all abide by those laws. That's stupid. I could write my own book
then, convince enough mindless zealots and in a few generations you'll
have another annoying group of people saying that whatever insanities
I've written in my book (such as not being allowed to dance) should be
made a law that applies to all.
See my point?
Now, I'm not saying that the bible and all is necessarily a work of fiction.
I'm saying that from my perspective as a non-believer it is. If you want
something in the bible to be a law you must have good arguments
showing how it would otherwise harm society and people in it. If you can't
do that, it's obviously not law material. You could argue that the person
being cheated upon is harmed emotionally by this act, but there are
many acts that can hurt other peoples feelings. It's really no reason to
start punishing people by the law.
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Originally posted by stockenWhy not? You have failed to keep up your part of a contract.
I read in a newspaper today that in Michigan, U.S. it's been suggested that if you have out of marriage sex, you can be sent to jail by the court of law.
Edit: This assumes that the out of marriage sex is partaken by a married person. In the case of unmarried unattached people the contract in a sense would be a contravention of the social contract whereby the consequences of sex (ie children) and the emotional responsibilities of sex( ie the mental and physical wellbeing of the participants, which tends to be a burden on the health system if those participants are not secured within the bonds of a loving relationship (ie marriage), then in a sense because society as a whole suffers because of all this potential dysfunction, society (ie Government) should be allowed to declare unmarried/ pre-marital and extra marital sex as being illegal.
Originally posted by stockenI completely with agree with you. I don't think adultery should be against the law but I do see how it can be considered a crime if you see what I mean. Also, I personally don't want religion to have anything to do with the law but I think that we sometimes forget just how ingrained the Christian religion is in Western culture.
Yes, the ten commandments has had a great influence on how people
here in the west think and act, even atheists. But, last time I looked,
adultery was not illegal in this country and I really don't think it should
be. When laws are decided upon, it shouldn't be because a large group
of people points to a work of fiction, claiming that their God says ...[text shortened]... other peoples feelings. It's really no reason to
start punishing people by the law.