24 Sep 08
I'd like to call attention to one unnamed RHPer who is unable to deduce fact from fiction, yet continues to make the erroneous and startling claim that Jesus was a communist. In the Letters to the Editor section of today's Wall Street Journal, Antony Davies, Ph.D., Associate Professor of Economics at Duquesne University had this to say:
In response to your editorial "God, Patriotism and Taxes" (Sept. 22): Jesus said to give to the poor, not to take in the name of the poor.
In citing Jesus as an authority for advancing socialism, Sen. Joe Biden says, "Catholic social doctrine. . . is, you take care of people who need the help the most." In the four Gospels, the poor are mentioned on 21 separate occasions: four times as a fact; six times they are called "blessed" or singled out as a special group to receive the good news; 11 times Jesus instructs the listener to give to the poor. But, at no time do the Gospels instruct us to take in the name of the poor.
The Gospels are a message to us collectively when they speak to us individually. When Jesus tells us to give to the poor, he is telling Joe Biden to give more than 0.2% of his income. He is not giving Joe Biden license to steal from others.
God, Patriotism and Taxes: http://wsj.com/article/SB122204158558561239.html?mod=article-outset-box
24 Sep 08
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"But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." (Matthew 22:34-40)
For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (Galatians 5:14 RSV)
If any one says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. (1 John 4:20 RSV)
If you really fulfil the royal law, according to the scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you do well. (James 2:8 RSV)
"Love your neighbor as yourself" (Matt. 19:19, from Lev. 19:18).
et cetera, et cetera.
24 Sep 08
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Originally posted by MrHandyou can love your neighbor (i.e., the poor), doesn't mean the government has the right to take you money (steal it) and re-distribute it to the poor.
"But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. ve your neighbor as yourself" (Matt. 19:19, from Lev. 19:18).
et cetera, et cetera.
obama's taxes will kill what is left of the economy..
24 Sep 08
Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenI never said anything about the Govt. DSR made an implication about Jesus and I responded.
you can love your neighbor (i.e., the poor), doesn't mean the government has the right to take you money (steal it) and re-distribute it to the poor.
obama's taxes will kill what is left of the economy..
24 Sep 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterN0,,no..no, He ain't giving a dime until everyone else bucks up also. He's such a caring person. Do what he do, not what he say.
I'd like to call attention to one unnamed RHPer who is unable to deduce fact from fiction, yet continues to make the erroneous and startling claim that Jesus was a communist. In the Letters to the Editor section of today's Wall Street Journal, Antony Davies, Ph.D., Associate Professor of Economics at Duquesne University had this to say:
In re ...[text shortened]... otism and Taxes: http://wsj.com/article/SB122204158558561239.html?mod=article-outset-box
GRANNY.
24 Sep 08
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Originally posted by MrHandSo let me ask you this, what love do you have for the poor when you are paying your taxes to the IRS? In fact, there is no love at all, rather, you are simply giving your money to a government entity so that "bad" things don't happen to you. In addition, how much love does the government have for the poor who take 89 cents on the dollar before giving only 9 cents on the dollar to the poor? And finally, what love is expressed to the "poor" when they receive their welfare checks from the government? In fact, they do not see it as someone giving them money in a kind hearted way, rather, they see it as an entitlement from some faceless entity. The attitude is that the government owes them the money and usually it is never enough at that. This attitude is cancerous to society at large because NOTHING is ever owed to you. After all, our very lives are but a gift. Of course, the entitlement crowd would probably argue otherwise. They would claim that they are entitled to "rights" and then they will then inform you what those rights should be with zero gratitude for what they have been blessed with already.
"But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. ve your neighbor as yourself" (Matt. 19:19, from Lev. 19:18).
et cetera, et cetera.
In effect, you rob the giver of a sense of giving and you rob the poor of a sense of gratitude for receiving help. Basically you have robbed both parties of "loving" each other in addition to the government taking 90% of the money to boot.
This system of tax collection so that the government will do with as it sees fit just warms my heart. How about you? 😛
24 Sep 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterSince when are billionaires the poor ?
I'd like to call attention to one unnamed RHPer who is unable to deduce fact from fiction, yet continues to make the erroneous and startling claim that Jesus was a communist. In the Letters to the Editor section of today's Wall Street Journal, Antony Davies, Ph.D., Associate Professor of Economics at Duquesne University had this to say:
In re ...[text shortened]... otism and Taxes: http://wsj.com/article/SB122204158558561239.html?mod=article-outset-box
24 Sep 08
Originally posted by MrHandI never said anything about the Govt. DSR made an implication about Jesus and I responded.
I never said anything about the Govt. DSR made an implication about Jesus and I responded.
I never said anything about the Govt. DSR made an implication about Jesus and I responded.
I never said anything about the Govt. DSR made an implication about Jesus and I responded.
I never said anything about the Govt. DSR made an implication about Jesus and I responded.
24 Sep 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterAnybody thinking Jesus was either a capitalist or a communist has about as much sense of reality or history as someone who believes in tooth fairies.
I'd like to call attention to one unnamed RHPer who is unable to deduce fact from fiction, yet continues to make the erroneous and startling claim that Jesus was a communist. In the Letters to the Editor section of today's Wall Street Journal, Antony Davies, Ph.D., Associate Professor of Economics at Duquesne University had this to say:
In re ...[text shortened]... otism and Taxes: http://wsj.com/article/SB122204158558561239.html?mod=article-outset-box
However, Jesus certainly didn't tell people to go out and reap profits from somebody else's labour. So he certainly wasn't a capitalist.
24 Sep 08
Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenHow?
obama's taxes will kill what is left of the economy..
You're obviously parroting what you've heard from the right wing propaganda machine so tell us how Obama's plan will kill the economy.
Do you even know what his plan is??
Despite the overwhelming evidence that the economy is where it is through Bush's failed policies, it staggers me that there could be people who think the reason they failed is that he didn't go far enough with those policies.
Einstein was spot on with his definition of insanity.
24 Sep 08
Originally posted by shavixmirHowever, he clearly WAS a Sado-masochist, as he allowed himself to be nailed to a cross with a crown of thorns on, poked with a sharp spear.....The KINKY BEAST!!!!!
Anybody thinking Jesus was either a capitalist or a communist has about as much sense of reality or history as someone who believes in tooth fairies.
However, Jesus certainly didn't tell people to go out and reap profits from somebody else's labour. So he certainly wasn't a capitalist.
25 Sep 08
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Originally posted by der schwarze RitterAt the end of the day Jesus said render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and render unto God that which is God's.
In response to your editorial "God, Patriotism and Taxes" (Sept. 22): Jesus said to give to the poor, not to take in the name of the poor.
From that all I can surmise is, that whatever you believe Jesus to have been or represent, is irrelevant in the discussion as to what the Government should do with your taxes. That is a secular conversation and should be rigorously debated as such, and the decisions made on how best to run a society, should be based on the best available social theory, and hopefully get implemented. If individuals take some of Christ's principles on equality into that debate, then surely as individuals that is their right to argue from that perspective.
Ultimately any social or socialist agenda attempts to look at all of society and suggests that sometimes a preventative approach works better than waiting for things to break before fixing them. The old "a stitch in time saves nine" sort of idea on things, makes a lot of sense. Helping people stay off the poverty line influences the rates of crime you have and at least keeps people within reach of getting back into the system, and then becoming fully productive tax paying citizens themselves.
Look around the world and see for yourself. Look at the rates of crime and the types of crime(level of violence) in countries outside of the US, in countries that have a firm belief in having a social security safety net that is provided as an inviolable citizen's right and compare that with the costs associated with having a society that despises those who need assistance and then the costs that arise with having tougher police forces and judicial/prison systems to house those who will invariably offend as a result of helplessness, hopelessness and need.
25 Sep 08
Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenPresident Clinton fixed the economy starting in 1993 by giving most people a tax cut, whilst raising taxes only on the 1.2% (IIRC) highest income earners. Obama's tax plan follows a similar structure, and most taxpayers will get a larger tax cut from Obama's tax plan than from McCain's. Why, then, do you think that Obama's tax plan will be bad for the economy? (President Clinton also made huge progress on the national debt by cutting wasteful military spending.)
you can love your neighbor (i.e., the poor), doesn't mean the government has the right to take you money (steal it) and re-distribute it to the poor.
obama's taxes will kill what is left of the economy..
25 Sep 08
Originally posted by kmax87In a society such as the US (with separation between church and state), it is important to define secular axioms that can be held by both religious and non-religious. Policies can then be judged based on their adherence to the axioms
...Ultimately any social or socialist agenda attempts to look at all of society and suggests that sometimes a preventative approach works better than waiting for things to break before fixing them. The old "a stitch in time saves nine" sort of idea on things, makes a lot of sense. Helping people stay off the poverty line influences the rates of crime you have ...[text shortened]... ing back into the system, and then becoming fully productive tax paying citizens themselves...
The last phrase in the above quote hits the heart of what I believe could be used as a secular axiom. Social programs should have as their goal returning people to productive lifestyles.
The right thinks the liberal programs enable/encourage people to loot from those who are actually productive.
The left thinks the conservative approach of personal/individual accountability will let people fall through the cracks.
There is a common middle ground.
25 Sep 08
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Originally posted by der schwarze Ritterwhen christ asked who's image was one the coin (in response to a question on the fairness of taxes), he was exposing the hypocracy of the supposed faithful. Jews were not allowed to have anything with graven images. Roman coins had the picture of Ceasar engraved on them. There was an implicit command to not worship the money, as it didn't belong to them, and it wasn't from God, it was simply a neccessary means to pay their taxes. Render unto ceasar what is ceasars. There is no prohibition on taxes. In fact, tithing is considered a form of tax, and failure to do so could result in death and siezure of your property, and your children being sold into slavery.
I'd like to call attention to one unnamed RHPer who is unable to deduce fact from fiction, yet continues to make the erroneous and startling claim that Jesus was a communist. In the Letters to the Editor section of today's Wall Street Journal, Antony Davies, Ph.D., Associate Professor of Economics at Duquesne University had this to say:
In re otism and Taxes: http://wsj.com/article/SB122204158558561239.html?mod=article-outset-box
Don't quote scripture unless you know what you're talking about.