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  1. Zugzwang
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    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/21/joe-biden-trump-sexism-delusional-nostalgia

    "What does Biden have in common with Trump? Delusional nostalgia.
    The former vice-president’s unrepentant sexism appeals to a vision
    of the past based more in fantasy than reality."

    "The former vice-president and current Democratic presidential
    frontrunner is pitching voters the idea that the past was better
    than the present, and that Biden, at 76, represents the past.
    ...
    It is a perception of America that casts our current crisis as a result of
    the pathological personality of the president, and not as the systemic
    failure of many institutions to protect the people and enact their will.
    In this vision, Donald Trump is the problem, not the culture or the
    political system that created him. Things were better before Trump,
    Biden seems to believe, and they will go back to normal after he’s gone.

    Like Trump’s call to “Make America Great Again”, Biden’s rhetoric
    appeals to a vision of the past based more in fantasy than reality.
    If anything, Biden is appealing to an imaginary bygone American era
    that many Americans don’t recognize. He sees prosperity where others
    see falling wages and unlivable healthcare and housing costs.
    He sees dignified political stability where others see their systematic
    exclusion from the halls of power. He sees chummy, Kumbaya-singing
    bipartisan cooperation with Republicans where many see the highly
    uncivil efforts of the right wing to strip minorities of their livelihoods
    and rights and to enshrine discrimination into law."

    "One of Biden’s favorite fictions about the past is that there was an
    era when gender relations were less contentious, and when it was
    appropriate to treat women and girls with patronizing dismissiveness.
    He is fond of touching women in strange, inappropriate and overly
    intimate if not outright sexual ways that betray an obliviousness to
    their discomfort at best and an entitlement to their bodies at worst."

    "Compared with the rest of the country, Biden’s base is older, more hostile
    to #MeToo and less likely to think that his inappropriate jokes are a problem.
    But they’re also more likely to vote. Biden might make the reasonable
    calculation that he can continue to mock and minimize sexual harassment
    victims with cruel little jokes. His supporters are still laughing."

    Joe Biden clearly belongs to the past.
  2. SubscriberPatzering
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    Apparently Biden's first order of business as president is to lower the age of consent.

    😮
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    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/21/joe-biden-trump-sexism-delusional-nostalgia

    "What does Biden have in common with Trump? Delusional nostalgia.
    The former vice-president’s unrepentant sexism appeals to a vision
    of the past based more in fantasy than reality."

    "The former vice-president and current Democratic presidential
    frontrunner is pitchin ...[text shortened]... nd minimize sexual harassment
    victims with cruel little jokes. His supporters are still laughing."
    How can happy times be here 'again', they are already here. It is puzzling why more people don't jump on Trump's band wagon.
  4. SubscriberPatzering
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    The smart people are making money and the haters are hating. But...the stock market is in a bubble and it will pop.
    When gold and silver start to go up watch out!
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    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/21/joe-biden-trump-sexism-delusional-nostalgia

    "What does Biden have in common with Trump? Delusional nostalgia.
    The former vice-president’s unrepentant sexism appeals to a vision
    of the past based more in fantasy than reality."

    "The former vice-president and current Democratic presidential
    frontrunner is pitchin ...[text shortened]... th cruel little jokes. His supporters are still laughing."

    Joe Biden clearly belongs to the past.
    Don't get me wrong, I would never vote for Biden but the Left's blatant bigotry towards old people is troubling.

    One day I think your utopia would simply euthanize them like you do the unborn
  6. Zugzwang
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    @whodey said
    Don't get me wrong, I would never vote for Biden but the Left's blatant bigotry towards old people is troubling.

    One day I think your utopia would simply euthanize them like you do the unborn
    Whodey apparently yearns for the racist, sexist, homophobic USA of the 1950s, if not earlier.
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    21 Jun '19 23:031 edit
    @averagejoe1 said
    How can happy times be here 'again', they are already here. It is puzzling why more people don't jump on Trump's band wagon.
    C’mon, Joe, you’re not puzzled. You have lots of things to say about why Trump resisters resist. Just now I went to one of your posts and saw “liberals simply cannot digest common sense”. You often sprinkle derogatory comments into your posts.
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    @duchess64 said
    Whodey apparently yearns for the racist, sexist, homophobic USA of the 1950s, if not earlier.
    I realize you despise that time period because older people were still valued.

    It was a time when minds were changing towards Civil Rights as many whites championed Civil Rights like the Rev. Billy Graham. In fact, Ike was the first to get the ball rolling regarding Civil Rights, and yes, he was a white male Republican.
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    @whodey said
    I realize you despise that time period because older people were still valued.

    It was a time when minds were changing towards Civil Rights as many whites championed Civil Rights like the Rev. Billy Graham. In fact, Ike was the first to get the ball rolling regarding Civil Rights, and yes, he was a white male Republican.
    You really just make this crap up as you go along, don't you?:

    And among other things, the liberals - the mostly northern liberals like Hubert Humphrey and some others - were pushing hard to have a meaningful plank about civil rights.

    Harry Truman actually had a fairly aggressive program for pursuing the issue of segregation in the country, but he knew that at the convention in the summer of 1948 there would not be a lot of support for that. And he wanted as peaceful a convention as possible. He wanted to try to hold the party together. So he opposed the minority plank through his surrogates at the convention.

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    The platform plank they were pushing included things like an anti-lynching law. They were also pushing to oppose school segregation, which was essentially the way of life, not only in the South but all over the country. They wanted to try to end job discrimination and access to public facilities on the basis of race. Got done in the 1960s, but in 1948 that was a very hot topic.

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    And in the end, by a very narrow vote, that 1948 Democratic convention adopted Hubert Humphrey's minority plank. And the hardest rocks on the far side of the party from the Deep South literally walked out. The Mississippi delegation walked out in its entirety, about half of the Alabama delegation. About three dozen delegates in toto walked out of the convention and vowed to nominate their own Dixiecrat candidate for president, Strom Thurmond from South Carolina, which they did.

    https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94011842
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    @whodey said
    I realize you despise that time period because older people were still valued.

    It was a time when minds were changing towards Civil Rights as many whites championed Civil Rights like the Rev. Billy Graham. In fact, Ike was the first to get the ball rolling regarding Civil Rights, and yes, he was a white male Republican.
    He was hardly a Republican as currently defined. “As a moderate Republican, Eisenhower was able to achieve numerous legislative victories despite a Democratic majority in Congress during six of his eight years in office. In addition to continuing most of the New Deal and Fair Deal programs of his predecessors (Franklin Roosevelt and Truman, respectively), he strengthened the Social Security program, increased the minimum wage and created the Department of Health, Education and Welfare.”
    https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/dwight-d-eisenhower
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    @no1marauder said
    You really just make this crap up as you go along, don't you?:

    And among other things, the liberals - the mostly northern liberals like Hubert Humphrey and some others - were pushing hard to have a meaningful plank about civil rights.

    Harry Truman actually had a fairly aggressive program for pursuing the issue of segregation in the country, but he knew that ...[text shortened]... om South Carolina, which they did.

    https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94011842
    And here I thought we were talking about the 1950's.

    LOL.
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    @js357 said
    He was hardly a Republican as currently defined. “As a moderate Republican, Eisenhower was able to achieve numerous legislative victories despite a Democratic majority in Congress during six of his eight years in office. In addition to continuing most of the New Deal and Fair Deal programs of his predecessors (Franklin Roosevelt and Truman, respectively), he strengthened the So ...[text shortened]... of Health, Education and Welfare.”
    https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/dwight-d-eisenhower
    Having said all that, you still find it too painful admitting he championed Civil Rights.

    Very telling.
  13. Zugzwang
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    @whodey said
    And here I thought we were talking about the 1950's.

    LOL.
    (Whodey replied to No1Marauder.)

    "Whodey apparently yearns for the racist, sexist, homophobic USA of the 1950s, IF NOT EARLIER."
    --Duchess64
  14. Zugzwang
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    22 Jun '19 03:07
    @whodey said
    Having said all that, you still find it too painful admitting he championed Civil Rights.
    Very telling.
    (Whodey replied to JS357.)

    The racist 'history troll' Whodey ignorantly or dishonestly distorts President Eisenhower's
    record on civil rights and exaggerates (at best) his supposed opposition to racism.

    https://www.newsweek.com/trump-racist-quotes-modern-us-presidents-780168

    "In 1954, President Dwight D. Eisenhower told Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren
    white Southerners "are not bad people. All they are concerned about is to see that
    their sweet little girls are not required to sit in school alongside some big overgrown
    Negroes" while discussing the desegregation of schools."

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/would-a-president-trump-m_b_10135836

    "The 11 Most Racist U.S. Presidents"

    "9. Dwight David Eisenhower …
    Most presidents made this list for what they did. President Eisenhower made this list for
    what he did not do. He made this list as a representative of all those U.S. presidents
    who did nothing to stop the trepidations of slavery and segregation and mass incarceration.

    When NAACP lawyers persuaded the U.S. Supreme Court to rule Jim Crow as unconstitutional
    in 1954, President Eisenhower did not endorse Brown v. Board of Education and
    dragged his feat to enforce it. At a White House dinner the year before, President
    Eisenhower had told Chief Justice Earl Warren he could understand why White
    southerners wanted to make sure “their sweet little girls [are not] required to sit in
    school alongside some big black buck.” He reluctantly sent federal troops to protect
    the Little Rock Nine who were desegregating an Arkansas high school. He considered
    that act to be the most repugnant of all his presidential acts. During those critical
    years after the 1954 Brown decision, this former five-star World War II general did
    not wage war against segregation. And he remains as much to blame as anyone
    for its persistence, for the lives lost fighting against it."
  15. Zugzwang
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    @whodey said
    I realize you despise that time period because older people were still valued.

    It was a time when minds were changing towards Civil Rights as many whites championed Civil Rights like the Rev. Billy Graham. In fact, Ike was the first to get the ball rolling regarding Civil Rights, and yes, he was a white male Republican.
    In China, old people are traditionally valued much more than they would be in the USA.
    But would that stop Whodey from loathing or demonizing the Chinese and their culture?
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