18 Oct 10
Originally posted by TerrierJackLooks like a security guard detained him because he was acting nuts, getting physical, and would not desist even after being told it was a private event and asked to leave. He apparently did not identify himself as a reporter until after he was detained so the guard thought he might just be some random crazy dude. He should file charges against the security guard if he believes he was wrongfully detained, but I doubt he will.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/joe-millerrsquos-security-detains-journalist/wingnuts/
So this guy has his security apparatus arrest people who ask uncomfortable questions. Is this the way to show respect for the Constitution?
The owner of the firm hired to protect Miller, William Fulton with Dropzone Security, said in a statement Sunday that he was responding to Hopfinger’s actions.
“The Dispatch reporter repeatedly pushed a camera into the face of Mr. Miller,” Fulton said. “He continued to aggressively pursue him. I told the reporter several times that he needed to stop and that he was trespassing, he ignored me. He then proceeded to stalk Mr. Miller and even shoved an individual into a locker. Based upon this trespass and his assault, we detained him and escorted him from the premises.”
In a subsequent interview, Fulton said he didn't know at the scene that Hopfinger was a journalist.
“I didn't even know he was a reporter until he told me,” Fulton said. “Normally we would assume that he's just some crazy guy from the audience.”
Fulton says he was trying to do his job when he arrested Hopfinger.
“After I told him he was trespassing, he said he was a reporter,” Fulton said. “I said, ‘Sir, that doesn't matter: you've been asked to leave, this is a private event.’ At that time, I told him again he was trespassing, then he hit the guy -- he pushed the guy, well, pushed the guy, into the locker. And at that point we decided he had become violent and would effect the arrest.”
In a statement on the incident Sunday evening, Miller said Hopfinger appeared irrational, angry and potentially violent.
http://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-2010elect-miller-security-hopfinger-arrest-101710,0,2454854.story
18 Oct 10
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Originally posted by SleepyguyHow is a town hall held at a public middle school a "private event"? The claim that Hopfinger was "trespassing" seems bogus.
Looks like a security guard detained him because he was acting nuts, getting physical, and would not desist even after being told it was a private event and asked to leave. He apparently did not identify himself as a reporter until after he was detained so the guard thought he might just be some random crazy dude. He should file charges against the secur ://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-2010elect-miller-security-hopfinger-arrest-101710,0,2454854.story
18 Oct 10
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Originally posted by SleepyguyMiller's security guard was trying to throw him out on the grounds he was "trespassing" before he supposedly got "violent" even by Fulton's account:
Good question. I suppose he was justified in getting violent then.
“After I told him he was trespassing, he said he was a reporter,” Fulton said. “I said, ‘Sir, that doesn't matter: you've been asked to leave, this is a private event.’ At that time, I told him again he was trespassing, then he hit the guy -- he pushed the guy, well, pushed the guy, into the locker. And at that point we decided he had become violent and would effect the arrest.”
The security guard had no legal authority to force him to leave and if he resisted to their use of force by using force in self-defense, he would be justified. That's quite possibly why the real police declined to honor the arrest (though they did file a report and the final decision on whether to charge Hopfinger or anyone else is at the DA's discretion).
18 Oct 10
Originally posted by TerrierJackIt's not like he is in jail or will have to pay a fine. I mean, its not like he refused to buy health care insurance. 😛
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/joe-millerrsquos-security-detains-journalist/wingnuts/
So this guy has his security apparatus arrest people who ask uncomfortable questions. Is this the way to show respect for the Constitution?
18 Oct 10
Originally posted by TerrierJackI'm saying that before Obamacare I was free to pay nothing if I so chose. Now I am at the mercy of those selling health care. Thanks for that. In fact, what if at some point they take the majority of our income?
How do you pay for your head-meds without insurance? Are you saying you are on Medicaid now?
18 Oct 10
Originally posted by whodeyNot to worry:
I'm saying that before Obamacare I was free to pay nothing if I so chose. Now I am at the mercy of those selling health care. Thanks for that. In fact, what if at some point they take the majority of our income?
Exemptions
will be granted for financial hardship,
religious objections, American Indians, those
without coverage for less than three months,
undocumented immigrants, incarcerated
individuals, those for whom the lowest cost
plan option exceeds 8% of an individual’s
income, and those with incomes below the
tax filing threshold (in 2009 the threshold for
taxpayers under age 65 was $9,350 for singles
and $18,700 for couples.
http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/housesenatebill_final.pdf
18 Oct 10
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Originally posted by no1marauderWait, what?
Not to worry:
Exemptions
will be granted for financial hardship,
religious objections, American Indians, those
without coverage for less than three months,
undocumented immigrants, incarcerated
individuals, [b]those for whom the lowest cost
plan option exceeds 8% of an individual’s
income, and those with incomes below the
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and $18,700 for couples.
http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/housesenatebill_final.pdf[/b]
"Religious objections" will get me out of the insurance mandate? I'd love to hear the logic behind that.
I'm suddenly feeling so spiritual. What religion do I need to convert to qualify for this preferred treatment?
EDIT: Never mind, I found it. I'm officially Amish now. Bless you my brothers.
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18 Oct 10
Originally posted by whodeyWhat if you get hit by a car tomorrow as you're stumbling to the liquor store to get a bottle of Mad Dog? I sure as heck don't want to have to pay for your recovery! How do I get out of that?
I'm saying that before Obamacare I was free to pay nothing if I so chose. Now I am at the mercy of those selling health care. Thanks for that. In fact, what if at some point they take the majority of our income?
18 Oct 10
Originally posted by TerrierJackI'd be happy to contribute to whodey's (presumably substantial) medical bills for the head pills. He seems to have stopped taking them recently (perhaps to prove his point about being allowed to pay nothing) and it's worrying to think what will happen if this continues indefinitely. Although at some point he'll presumably stop using the internet entirely, believing it to be controlling his 'mind' or something, it's this intermediary point of indeterminate length and increasing weirdness that I want stopped.
What if you get hit by a car tomorrow as you're stumbling to the liquor store to get a bottle of Mad Dog? I sure as heck don't want to have to pay for your recovery! How do I get out of that?