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  1. 18 Oct '10 13:56
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/joe-millerrsquos-security-detains-journalist/wingnuts/

    So this guy has his security apparatus arrest people who ask uncomfortable questions. Is this the way to show respect for the Constitution?
  2. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    18 Oct '10 14:38
    Originally posted by TerrierJack
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/joe-millerrsquos-security-detains-journalist/wingnuts/

    So this guy has his security apparatus arrest people who ask uncomfortable questions. Is this the way to show respect for the Constitution?
    Looks like a security guard detained him because he was acting nuts, getting physical, and would not desist even after being told it was a private event and asked to leave. He apparently did not identify himself as a reporter until after he was detained so the guard thought he might just be some random crazy dude. He should file charges against the security guard if he believes he was wrongfully detained, but I doubt he will.

    The owner of the firm hired to protect Miller, William Fulton with Dropzone Security, said in a statement Sunday that he was responding to Hopfinger’s actions.

    “The Dispatch reporter repeatedly pushed a camera into the face of Mr. Miller,” Fulton said. “He continued to aggressively pursue him. I told the reporter several times that he needed to stop and that he was trespassing, he ignored me. He then proceeded to stalk Mr. Miller and even shoved an individual into a locker. Based upon this trespass and his assault, we detained him and escorted him from the premises.”

    In a subsequent interview, Fulton said he didn't know at the scene that Hopfinger was a journalist.

    “I didn't even know he was a reporter until he told me,” Fulton said. “Normally we would assume that he's just some crazy guy from the audience.”

    Fulton says he was trying to do his job when he arrested Hopfinger.

    “After I told him he was trespassing, he said he was a reporter,” Fulton said. “I said, ‘Sir, that doesn't matter: you've been asked to leave, this is a private event.’ At that time, I told him again he was trespassing, then he hit the guy -- he pushed the guy, well, pushed the guy, into the locker. And at that point we decided he had become violent and would effect the arrest.”

    In a statement on the incident Sunday evening, Miller said Hopfinger appeared irrational, angry and potentially violent.


    http://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-2010elect-miller-security-hopfinger-arrest-101710,0,2454854.story
  3. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    18 Oct '10 14:47 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Looks like a security guard detained him because he was acting nuts, getting physical, and would not desist even after being told it was a private event and asked to leave. He apparently did not identify himself as a reporter until after he was detained so the guard thought he might just be some random crazy dude. He should file charges against the secur ://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-2010elect-miller-security-hopfinger-arrest-101710,0,2454854.story
    How is a town hall held at a public middle school a "private event"? The claim that Hopfinger was "trespassing" seems bogus.
  4. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    18 Oct '10 14:55
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    How is a town hall held at a public middle school a "private event"? The claim that Hopfinger was "trespassing" seems bogus.
    Good question. I suppose he was justified in getting violent then.
  5. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    18 Oct '10 14:57 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Good question. I suppose he was justified in getting violent then.
    Miller's security guard was trying to throw him out on the grounds he was "trespassing" before he supposedly got "violent" even by Fulton's account:

    “After I told him he was trespassing, he said he was a reporter,” Fulton said. “I said, ‘Sir, that doesn't matter: you've been asked to leave, this is a private event.’ At that time, I told him again he was trespassing, then he hit the guy -- he pushed the guy, well, pushed the guy, into the locker. And at that point we decided he had become violent and would effect the arrest.”

    The security guard had no legal authority to force him to leave and if he resisted to their use of force by using force in self-defense, he would be justified. That's quite possibly why the real police declined to honor the arrest (though they did file a report and the final decision on whether to charge Hopfinger or anyone else is at the DA's discretion).
  6. 18 Oct '10 15:19
    Originally posted by TerrierJack
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/joe-millerrsquos-security-detains-journalist/wingnuts/

    So this guy has his security apparatus arrest people who ask uncomfortable questions. Is this the way to show respect for the Constitution?
    It's not like he is in jail or will have to pay a fine. I mean, its not like he refused to buy health care insurance.
  7. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    18 Oct '10 15:24
    Originally posted by whodey
    It's not like he is in jail or will have to pay a fine. I mean, its not like he refused to buy health care insurance.
    *zing*
  8. 18 Oct '10 15:26
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    *zing*
    You do realize we can torment those on the left with this indefinately don't you?
  9. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    18 Oct '10 15:28
    Originally posted by whodey
    You do realize we can torment those on the left with this indefinately don't you?
    If you keep lying by saying it will be a jailable offense, I suppose so.
  10. 18 Oct '10 15:31
    Originally posted by whodey
    You do realize we can torment those on the left with this indefinately don't you?
    How do you pay for your head-meds without insurance? Are you saying you are on Medicaid now?
  11. 18 Oct '10 15:34
    Originally posted by TerrierJack
    How do you pay for your head-meds without insurance? Are you saying you are on Medicaid now?
    I'm saying that before Obamacare I was free to pay nothing if I so chose. Now I am at the mercy of those selling health care. Thanks for that. In fact, what if at some point they take the majority of our income?
  12. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    18 Oct '10 15:54
    Originally posted by whodey
    I'm saying that before Obamacare I was free to pay nothing if I so chose. Now I am at the mercy of those selling health care. Thanks for that. In fact, what if at some point they take the majority of our income?
    Not to worry:

    Exemptions
    will be granted for financial hardship,
    religious objections, American Indians, those
    without coverage for less than three months,
    undocumented immigrants, incarcerated
    individuals, those for whom the lowest cost
    plan option exceeds 8% of an individual’s
    income
    , and those with incomes below the
    tax filing threshold (in 2009 the threshold for
    taxpayers under age 65 was $9,350 for singles
    and $18,700 for couples.

    http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/housesenatebill_final.pdf
  13. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    18 Oct '10 17:44 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Not to worry:

    Exemptions
    will be granted for financial hardship,
    religious objections, American Indians, those
    without coverage for less than three months,
    undocumented immigrants, incarcerated
    individuals, [b]those for whom the lowest cost
    plan option exceeds 8% of an individual’s
    income
    , and those with incomes below the
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    and $18,700 for couples.

    http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/housesenatebill_final.pdf[/b]
    Wait, what?

    "Religious objections" will get me out of the insurance mandate? I'd love to hear the logic behind that.

    I'm suddenly feeling so spiritual. What religion do I need to convert to qualify for this preferred treatment?

    EDIT: Never mind, I found it. I'm officially Amish now. Bless you my brothers.
  14. 18 Oct '10 19:31
    Originally posted by whodey
    I'm saying that before Obamacare I was free to pay nothing if I so chose. Now I am at the mercy of those selling health care. Thanks for that. In fact, what if at some point they take the majority of our income?
    What if you get hit by a car tomorrow as you're stumbling to the liquor store to get a bottle of Mad Dog? I sure as heck don't want to have to pay for your recovery! How do I get out of that?
  15. Standard member DrKF
    incipit parodia
    18 Oct '10 19:40
    Originally posted by TerrierJack
    What if you get hit by a car tomorrow as you're stumbling to the liquor store to get a bottle of Mad Dog? I sure as heck don't want to have to pay for your recovery! How do I get out of that?
    I'd be happy to contribute to whodey's (presumably substantial) medical bills for the head pills. He seems to have stopped taking them recently (perhaps to prove his point about being allowed to pay nothing) and it's worrying to think what will happen if this continues indefinitely. Although at some point he'll presumably stop using the internet entirely, believing it to be controlling his 'mind' or something, it's this intermediary point of indeterminate length and increasing weirdness that I want stopped.