I was watching The Longest Day (6th of June.. and all that), which I haven’t watched for 30 years or so.
Really enjoying it and then John Wayne (I knew he was in it, but wasn’t expecting the acting to be so over the top) appeared… and I googled him.
Yeah, the man was a real conservative and held opinions which weren’t acceptable then and certainly aren’t woke today.
But! And this is what touched me: he dared to disagree with the politics of the party.
If a democrat did something, he thought good, he would support it.
And when a democrat won an election, he stated: this is our leader and he’s a true American (or some sort of drivel along those lines).
What’s changed?
How can everything one side does be bad and everything the other side does be good?
How can people no longer fall in line with the winning party?
How could John Wayne laugh about his politics and that everything is cut-throat serious now?
Interesting!
@shavixmir saidtoday, George Bush senior would lose a republican primary. Nixon or Reagan would lose too and i wouldn't even mention that woke lefty communist Eisenhower.
I was watching The Longest Day (6th of June.. and all that), which I haven’t watched for 30 years or so.
Really enjoying it and then John Wayne (I knew he was in it, but wasn’t expecting the acting to be so over the top) appeared… and I googled him.
Yeah, the man was a real conservative and held opinions which weren’t acceptable then and certainly aren’t woke today.
...[text shortened]... d John Wayne laugh about his politics and that everything is cut-throat serious now?
Interesting!
@shavixmir saidAs taxes get cut more and more, the Right has to get more and more extreme.
I was watching The Longest Day (6th of June.. and all that), which I haven’t watched for 30 years or so.
Really enjoying it and then John Wayne (I knew he was in it, but wasn’t expecting the acting to be so over the top) appeared… and I googled him.
Yeah, the man was a real conservative and held opinions which weren’t acceptable then and certainly aren’t woke today.
...[text shortened]... d John Wayne laugh about his politics and that everything is cut-throat serious now?
Interesting!
Eventually this trend will collapse due to reality, just like what happened with the last Gilded Age.
@shavixmir saidDemographics have changed since the days of John Wayne. The Republican Party no longer commands a majority of the electorate, and the clever ones among them know that. They can stay in power only as a minority party by cheating, and by demonizing the opposing party.
I was watching The Longest Day (6th of June.. and all that), which I haven’t watched for 30 years or so.
Really enjoying it and then John Wayne (I knew he was in it, but wasn’t expecting the acting to be so over the top) appeared… and I googled him.
Yeah, the man was a real conservative and held opinions which weren’t acceptable then and certainly aren’t woke today.
...[text shortened]... d John Wayne laugh about his politics and that everything is cut-throat serious now?
Interesting!
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John Wayne had two redeeming features personally, in my opinion. The first is that he played chess. And the second is that he appeared frequently on Rowan and Martin’s Laugh In, which was very lefty liberal at the time.
He was, however, an unabashed racist.
@shavixmir saidwhat's changed?
What’s changed?
How can everything one side does be bad and everything the other side does be good?
preachers got involved with politics
Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.
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@shavixmir saidOne side of politics still pushes supply side economics, trickle down fantasies that has been thoroughly debunked, and as they lower taxes on the rich, they get support from a very small minority who also happen to control a lot of very influential media, that still maintains government is the problem and that poverty correlates with laziness. That's why people dont fall into line and support the top guy any more. The top guy if republican no longer represents their needs and concerns and the working poor who do patriotically support the GOP do so out of fear of the other.
What’s changed?
How can everything one side does be bad and everything the other side does be good?
How can people no longer fall in line with the winning party?
@moonbus saidAre you sure?
The Republican Party no longer commands a majority of the electorate
- More Americans voted for Trump than for Kamala.
- Far more states voted for Trump in 2024
- Republicans control all branches of government, including both houses of Congress
- The single largest voting bloc (evangelical Christians) overwhelmingly support Trump
- 60 percent of the country are whites and the majority of them support Trump
How are they a "minority" party?
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@shavixmir saidUnlike in Wayne's day, conservatives who don't align with Trump get cancelled.
What’s changed?
Heads of Christian magazines have resigned due to backlash for criticizing Trump, Republicans lose elections for doing so and any Fox News pundit that disagreed with him no longer works there. This includes Shep Smith, Neil Cavuto and Tucker Carlsen after private texts of his showing disdain for Trump were discovered.
If John Wayne were around today, he wouldn't dare open his mouth against Trump.
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Your post was clearly a jab at the Democrats and Liberals for blindly following party lines but they thought you were talking about Republicans who are more open to going with what is right.
The John Wayne reference threw them off and they assumed "racist trad!!"
Vivify was the first to notice your purposeful mistake/intent.
@shavixmir saidMaybe people are a bit more 'savvy' these days, and things are better understood. Everyone thinks they know how to run an economy, and our leaders aren't put up on pedestals as they once were. Social media has given us better communication; everyone has an opinion nowadays and are better able to express it, and express their malcontent, as is amply demonstrated in these forums. It's getting harder to govern anything.
I was watching The Longest Day (6th of June.. and all that), which I haven’t watched for 30 years or so.
Really enjoying it and then John Wayne (I knew he was in it, but wasn’t expecting the acting to be so over the top) appeared… and I googled him.
Yeah, the man was a real conservative and held opinions which weren’t acceptable then and certainly aren’t woke today.
...[text shortened]... d John Wayne laugh about his politics and that everything is cut-throat serious now?
Interesting!
I suppose it also depends on the severity of any given policy, tax hikes/cuts may be unpopular, but in my lifetime the Vietnam war and now the war in Iran take things to a different level; we now see the whole thing in graphic detail, and it's hard to get behind that if you don't agree with it.
I dunno, these are just thoughts on a Sunday morning in Indonesia....
@shavixmir saidCommon ground exists, nuance exists, no one is incentivized to pursue these ideals.
I was watching The Longest Day (6th of June.. and all that), which I haven’t watched for 30 years or so.
Really enjoying it and then John Wayne (I knew he was in it, but wasn’t expecting the acting to be so over the top) appeared… and I googled him.
Yeah, the man was a real conservative and held opinions which weren’t acceptable then and certainly aren’t woke today.
...[text shortened]... d John Wayne laugh about his politics and that everything is cut-throat serious now?
Interesting!
Someone is hungry, broke, homeless, living on the street and trying to get used to it.
Conservative: They made some bad choices.
Liberal: We should help them.
Both comments are likely correct. There is common ground. But there's no incentive from politicians or media to work towards consensus or common ground.
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@vivify saidMore people voted for Hillary than Trump in 2016.
Are you sure?
- More Americans voted for Trump than for Kamala.
- Far more states voted for Trump in 2024
- Republicans control all branches of government, including both houses of Congress
- The single largest voting bloc (evangelical Christians) overwhelmingly support Trump
- 60 percent of the country are whites and the majority of them support Trump
How are they a "minority" party?
More people voted for Biden than Trump in 2020.
More people didn’t vote for Trump than did in 2024.
The number of states which vote for a president is not an accurate reflection of the number of people who do; the Electoral College system is skewed.
Republican control of the lower house is the legacy of gerrymandering.
Not all of the 60% of the total population who are White are eligible voters.
It is not true that the majority of White voters in America support Trump. College educated White voters in America do not.
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@Zahlanzi saidThis is exactly what I mean when I say the demographics have shifted. Bush Senior would be unelectable today, just as Jeb Bush was unelectable in 2016. Trump is no conservative. He’s a con man and an opportunist, who doesn’t espouse traditional conservative principles, for example of fiscal restraint.
today, George Bush senior would lose a republican primary. Nixon or Reagan would lose too and i wouldn't even mention that woke lefty communist Eisenhower.