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@moonbus saidI wasn't referring to the electoral college, I meant the actual number of states: 31 voted for Trump while 19 voted for Harris. Regardless, Trump still won the popular vote in 2024.
The number of states which vote for a president is not an accurate reflection of the number of people who do; the Electoral College system is skewed.
It is not true that the majority of White voters in America support Trump.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/voting-patterns-in-the-2024-election/
"A 55% majority of White voters cast ballots for Trump in 2024. An identical share of White voters favored Trump in 2020, and 54% selected him in 2016."
I'm not happy about these stats but we need to live in reality. Republicans are in no way a "minority" party.
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@vivify saidTrump got nowhere near 51% of the total electorate, in any election he contested. Roughly a third of the electorate did not vote in the previous presidential election. Neither party actually commands a majority of the total electorate.
I wasn't referring to the electoral college, I meant the actual number of states: 31 voted for Trump while 19 voted for Harris. Regardless, Trump still won the popular vote in 2024.It is not true that the majority of White voters in America support Trump.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/voting-patterns-in-the-2024-election/
"[i]A 55% majo ...[text shortened]... ppy about these stats but we need to live in reality. Republicans are in no way a "minority" party.
The two-party system is broken in America. In Wayne’s time, each party acknowledged that the other party represented legitimate interests and was willing to reach consensus. That is no longer true today.
@moonbus saidI never said he did.
Trump got nowhere near 51% of the total electorate
I said the majority of those *who did vote* picked Trump, which includes the majority of white votes, as well as the majority of states and the majority of evangelical voters.
The two-party system is broken in America. In Wayne’s time, each party acknowledged that the other party represented legitimate interests and was willing to reach consensus. That is no longer true today.
Agreed.
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@shavixmir saidThankyou. Your very post shows it can be done, and unlike your fellow posters, you don’t mind saying so , which is simply stating something about what we all consider to be the truth. The truth never hurts.
I was watching The Longest Day (6th of June.. and all that), which I haven’t watched for 30 years or so.
Really enjoying it and then John Wayne (I knew he was in it, but wasn’t expecting the acting to be so over the top) appeared… and I googled him.
Yeah, the man was a real conservative and held opinions which weren’t acceptable then and certainly aren’t woke today.
...[text shortened]... d John Wayne laugh about his politics and that everything is cut-throat serious now?
Interesting!
If Bernie said something like ‘everyone should be commended for any of their successes’ for example, I would agree with Bernie. I think, shav, the problem is is that he would not make a statement like that. So that is the question.
Not one Democrat here on the forum, for example, says one positive statement about any of the positions of the Republicans. Could you elaborate your comments by weaving that factoid in?.
Any example I might suggest would taint your comments, but they are obvious.
PS:, before you say that we Republicans don’t say anything about the good things of the Democrats, please tell me a good thing of the Democrats, and I will be glad to commend them on it. That is a fair position for me to take at this moment. Any good thing. I will say at the outset, all of their policies seem to be what they call ‘far left’ over here in the USA, so I will be curious if you have a position that is not far left..
@Zahlanzi saidThis one calls Ike a communist. Very entertaining morning. Of course being Romanian, the background, education, likely leads one to skew communism, having been so only a few decades ago. So, consider the source, that Ike was communist. Flat on its face .
today, George Bush senior would lose a republican primary. Nixon or Reagan would lose too and i wouldn't even mention that woke lefty communist Eisenhower.
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@moonbus
Trump won the popular vote in 2024
Why you say otherwise is probably wishful thinking or denial.
"Trump won all of the top seven swing states, including Nevada for the Republicans' first time since 2004. Trump won the national popular vote with a plurality of 49.8%, making him the first Republican to win the popular vote since George W. Bush in 2004 (unlike his 2016 victory and 2020 defeat)." Wikipedia
@PuzZuLz saidBoring. It is what it is, Trump kicked ass, you can parse any little numbers you want to. The perfect person would be to bring Susan on this.
@moonbus
Trump won the popular vote in 2024
Why you say otherwise is probably wishful thinking or denial.
"Trump won all of the top seven swing states, including Nevada for the Republicans' first time since 2004. Trump won the national popular vote with a plurality of 49.8%, making him the first Republican to win the popular vote since George W. Bush in 2004 (unlike his 2016 victory and 2020 defeat)." Wikipedia
What could you do it on PMs between each other?
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@PuzZuLz saidHis margin of victory against Harris in the popular vote was razor thin. The fact that he took many states is due to the skewed nature of the Electoral College system, whereby in almost all states, the winner takes all the EC votes. This does not accurately reflect how the electorate voted.
@moonbus
Trump won the popular vote in 2024
Why you say otherwise is probably wishful thinking or denial.
"Trump won all of the top seven swing states, including Nevada for the Republicans' first time since 2004. Trump won the national popular vote with a plurality of 49.8%, making him the first Republican to win the popular vote since George W. Bush in 2004 (unlike his 2016 victory and 2020 defeat)." Wikipedia
NE awards its EC votes proportionately, and the Trump administration has since tried to bully NE into changing that.
@PuzZuLz saidThe fact remains that Trump did not win any landslide against Harris in the popular vote. His margin of victory was less than 2%, considerably less than the margin Hillary Clinton had over him in 2016.
@moonbus
The same applies for large blue states that have a huge EC number. Cali and NY for example.
By your proposed method, the Republicans would be almost splitting those EC numbers and taking away from Democrats numbers.