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  1. Standard memberfinnegan
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    Theresa May said that we should judge the Tory government on their record, so here's a list of some of the things that any reasonably well informed citizen should know about the Tory record in government since 2010.

    Election fraud
    The Tory party committed electoral fraud in 2015. They've already paid the maximum fine the Electoral Commission could levy against them for election cheating, and 30 Tories are facing the prospect of criminal prosecution for financially doping their way to victory in a number of marginal constituencies.

    A vote for Tories is a vote to empower electoral cheats

    Longest fall in value of wages since records began
    Under Tory rule British workers have suffered the longest sustained decline in the real value of their wages since records began. The fall is so bad that it's the joint worst wage collapse in the developed world with Greece. The difference of course is that Greece did that to their workers because they were forced to by the Troika, the Tories did that to British workers because they wanted to.

    A vote for Tories is a vote for lower wages

    Spectacularly missed economic targets
    In 2010 the Tories promised to eliminate the deficit by 2015. In 2017 they're still nowhere near eliminating it, and they've openly admitted that they won't be doing it any time before 2021. Over 11 years to do what they promised to do in under 5, and more new public debt created in the process than every single Labour government in history combined? If that's "strong economic management", I'd hate to see what Tories would classify as chaotic, debt-soaring ineptitude.

    A vote for Tories is a vote for more economic mismanagement

    The austerity con
    After such spectacularly missed targets and George Osborne's departure from Westminster politics it's amazing that millions still believe in his austerity con, but Theresa May is still parroting the same kind of economically illiterate justifications for a blatantly unjustifiable economic agenda. The evidence is now absolutely clear that austerity only succeeded in transferring wealth from the majority to the super rich minority at the expense of the real economy.

    A vote for Tories is a vote for the continuation of the Tory austerity con
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    The harshest cuts of all on poor families with children

    Analysis by the Institute for Fiscal Studies has revealed that under Tory spending plans the worst hit demographic of all will be poor families with children. The trend is absolutely clear. The poorer you are, the harsher the cuts you will be facing, and if you have kids you'll be hit harder than those without.

    A vote for Tories is a vote to further impoverish the already poor (and their children)

    Most unaffordable homes ever
    Since 2010 the Tory government has overseen the lowest levels of housebuilding since the 1920s. The combination of weak supply, very high demand and collapsing wages has pushed house prices to their most unaffordable level ever.

    A vote for Tories is a vote for unaffordable housing

    Contempt for private sector tenants
    In 2016 Tory MPs (1/3 of whom are landlords) voted down an opposition amendment to their housing bill that would have required landlords to ensure that rented accommodation is "fit for human habitation".

    A vote for Tories is a vote for slumlords renting rotten houses to people with nowhere else to turn

    Public transport chaos
    As a result of the shambolic Tory privatisation of the railways the UK has the most expensive, most over-crowded and least reliable rail service of any comparable developed European nation. What's more is that the profiteering private companies who operate the services take more in government subsidies than it cost to run the entire system under British Rail!
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    Biggest education funding cuts in decades
    The Tories are planning the biggest education funding cuts in decades.

    A vote for Tories is a vote for underfunded schools

    The school privatisation agenda
    An awful lot of people don't seem to have even noticed that the Tories have been privatising thousands of state owned schools, property and all, for free, into the hands of private sector pseudo-charities, many of which are owned by major Tory party donors (like Philip "Carpetright" Harris, Alan Lewis and John Nash).

    A vote for Tories is a vote for unaccountable profiteers running the English education system

    Rip-off tuition fees
    With the assistance of their lying Lib-Dem sidekicks the Tories introduced £9,000 per year tuition fees for university students, meaning English students now face the highest fees in the world for study at public universities. The fees are so high that 2/3 of graduates will never be able to pay off their student debts, despite paying a 9% aspiration tax on their disposable incomes for their entire working lives.

    A vote for Tories is a vote for lifetimes of unpayable student debt for millions of graduates

    Huge rise in Food bank dependency
    The Tories have seen a huge rise in food bank dependency since 2010. Over a million food parcels were handed out by the Trussell Trust last year, and they're just one of the food bank organisations. New research has shown that areas that have suffered the rollout of the Tories' hopelessly botched Universal Credit scheme have significantly higher rates of food bank dependency than areas where it hasn't been rolled out yet.

    A vote for Tories is a vote for food poverty

    The Hinkley Point C scandal
    The Hinkley Point C deal is one of the most scandalous affairs in UK political history. The Tories have agreed to bribe the French and Chinese into building us a nuclear power station by promising to use taxpayers' cash to pay them double the market rate for electricity for 35 years, then cover the cleanup cost at the taxpayers' expense too. The reason we have to bribe foreign governments into building our nuclear infrastructure for us is that the Tories privatised the UK's nuclear expertise in the 1990s, and the private company was then allowed to be purchased by the French government.

    A vote for Tories is a vote for the most expensive rip-off deal the UK has ever signed up to

    Social care crisis
    The Tories have slashed £4.6 billion from the social care budget at a time of rising demand due to the UK's ageing population demographics. This social care funding crisis has coincided with the biggest increase in the death rate since the 1960s, and is putting an immense amount of pressure on already overstretched NHS services and unpaid carers.

    A vote for Tories is a vote a social care system in crisis

    Defunding of local government
    The Tories have slashed local government budgets so harshly that the leader of David Cameron's own Tory council famously wrote to him to plead for him to stop. What's most disgusting about this assault on local government budgets is that the most savage local government cuts have been focused on the poorest areas, while some leafy Tory councils actually got increases in their budgets.

    A vote for Tories is a vote for even more ruination of local government services

    Tax-dodging corporate outsourcing parasites
    The Tories have brought giant outsourcing corporations in to do all kinds of government functions. Huge numbers of these corporate leeches are now having their contracts renewed automatically with no cost-benefit analysis and no competitive tendering process. The Labour Party have proposed a new law to ban outsourcing companies from receiving government contracts if they're based in tax havens. The Tories are quite happy to continue using taxpayers' cash to pay tax-dodging corporate outsourcing companies to do the work the government should be doing itself.

    A vote for Tories is a vote for tax-dodging corporate outsourcing parasitism

    Fire service cuts
    Between 2010 and 2015 the Tories slashed 30% off the fire service budget resulting in the loss of 10,000 firefighter jobs and the closure of 39 fire stations. Between 2015 and 2020 they intend to slash another 20%. In 2015/16 the number of fire deaths increased by 17.4%.

    A vote for Tories is a vote for more people dying in house fires

    Police cuts
    Between 2010 and 2015 the Tories axed 34,000 police jobs. Between 2015 and 2020 they intend to axe tens of thousands more. The police have managed to juke the statistics by non-recording vast numbers of reported crimes, but the impact of these police cuts can't be hidden off the violent crime statistics, which have increased by 96% between 2012 and 2016.

    A vote for Tories is a vote for fewer police on our streets and more violent crime

    Sweetheart tax deals
    One of the sickest things about the Tory government is the way they allowed HMRC to draw up sweetheart tax deals with massive corporations like Google, Starbucks and Vodafone. Why should Google get to negotiate a 3% tax deal when ordinary working people have to pay what they actually owe?

    A vote for Tories is a vote for more sweetheart tax deals with multinational corporations

    The Snoopers' Charter
    Theresa May's Snoopers' Charter is the most extreme state surveillance law ever introduced in a developed nation. It allows over 20,000 government employees to trawl through the private communication data of innocent people (including loads of non-terrorism related organisations like the Food Standards Agency, the Health and Safety Executive and the Gambling Commission). It also allows the state to tell lies in court in order to secure convictions.

    A vote for Tories is a vote for extreme surveillance and an end to the concept of privacy

    Dictators and despots
    Theresa May and the Tories love sucking up to dictators and despots like the Islamist tyrants in Saudi Arabia and the Turkish autocrat Recep Erdo─čan. The disgraced Liam Fox was even in the Philippines to suck up to the brutal dictator Rodrigo Duterte and talk up our "shared values".

    A vote for Tories is a vote for closer relations with dictators and despots

    Contempt for human rights
    Theresa May has a burning contempt for your human rights. She has expressed her determination to tear up the European Convention on Human Rights on many occasions, and join Belarus as the only European nation that doesn't adhere to the human rights legislation that was bestowed on Europe by the British Prime Ministers Winston Churchill and Clement Attlee.

    A vote for Tories is a vote to scrap your own human rights

    Taxpayer subsidised malice
    One of the worst things about the Tory government is the fact that several of their malicious anti-welfare schemes actually cost more to administer in corporate outsourcing fees than they will ever save in reduced benefits payments. The Work Capacity Assessment regime for sick and disabled people and their draconian sanctions system are both examples of socially ruinous schemes that actually cost the taxpayer hundreds of millions of pounds to operate.

    A vote for Tories is a vote for more money to be wasted on malicious Tory anti-welfare schemes

    Rising inequality
    While UK workers suffered the worst collapse in the value of their wages on record the tiny super rich minority literally doubled their wealth. Take from the poor to give to the rich, that's always been the Tory agenda. The worst thing is that these malicious reverse Robin Hoods even had the gall to tell us "we're all in this together" as they were deliberately rigging society even more in favour of the tiny super-rich minority than it already was!

    A vote for Tories is a vote for an even more unequal Britain

    U-turn after U-turn
    Theresa May keeps repeating the phrase "strong and stable leadership" like a broken robot but she's not strong or stable. She's too much of a coward to face Jeremy Corbyn or the other party leaders in the TV debates, she's conducting her election campaign in "safe spaces" full of handpicked Tory sycophants bussed in from miles away, and she U-turns so often it's impossible to know which way she'll be facing in the morning. She's U-turned on supporting Remain during the EU referendum, on the National Insurance hike, on "now is not the time", on not calling a snap election ...

    A vote for Tories is a vote for the lady who is for turning


    Threat of a "no deal" Brexit strop
    perhaps the most worrying thing of all is the way Theresa May has made the threat of a "no deal" Brexit strop the centrepiece of her diplomatically inept Brexit negotiating strategy. If the EU 27 call her bluff and she ends up walking the UK over a "no deal" Brexit cliff edge the social and economic consequences will be catastrophic. The Institute for Fiscal Studies has estimated that the imposition of WTO tariffs, the flight of businesses, border checks and all the other chaos that would come with a "no deal" flounce would wipe between 6.3% and 9.5% off the national GDP. To put that in perspective the recession that followed the 2007-08 global financial sector insolvency crisis (you know, the one we're still trying to recover from) wiped 4.8% off GDP.
  4. Standard memberfinnegan
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    30 Apr '17 23:061 edit
    there are so many other things that didn't get a mention (like
    legal aid cuts,
    sack-at-will legislation,
    numerous spectacular court defeats,
    filibustering Tory MPs,
    £1,200 unfair dismissal tribunal fees,
    Secret Courts,
    the gagging law,
    hundreds of Sure Start centres closed,
    massive tax breaks for fracking companies,
    mental health funding cuts, the rape clause,
    the garden bridge fiasco,
    highest childcare fees in Europe,
    In-work benefits cuts,
    bigoted and homophobic Tory MPs,
    loads of new PFI scams,
    countless dodgy privatisations,
    hidden air pollution reports,
    a blank cheque for the private companies that operate Trident,
    refusal to help the UK steel industry,
    Troy Brexit liars like Boris Johnson and Michael Gove,
    prisons chaos,
    slashed adult education budgets,
    economically illiterate cuts to flood defence spending,
    the anti-democratic Great Repeal Bill power grab,
    cosying up to Rupert Murdoch ...).

    http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/30-things-you-should-know-about-tory.html
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    30 Apr '17 23:271 edit
    Reports are beginning to emerge from multiple sources suggesting that Mrs May is under investigation by the Property and Ethics group of the Cabinet Office in connection with an alleged failure to declare an enormous conflict of interest on Brexit related to profits of billions of pounds said to have been made by her husband’s investment-banking company in Brexit-related activities
    https://skwawkbox.org/2017/04/30/theresa-may-under-investigation-re-brexit-profits/
    Interesting to see if this is correct and how it will play out. One assumes the blogger would not put such a statement out without covering his back against a libel action.
  6. SubscriberGhost of a Duke
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    01 May '17 07:56
    So in short, vote Tory.
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    01 May '17 09:41
    Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
    So in short, vote Tory.
    Finnegan's attempts to take us straight back to the 1970's with his tried and tested disastrous ideas that brought Britain to its knees will never succeed.
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    01 May '17 09:48
    Originally posted by Ashiitaka
    Finnegan's attempts to take us straight back to the 1970's with his tried and tested disastrous ideas that brought Britain to its knees will never succeed.
    Why do you think that the Tories did not manage to balance the budget after the 2008/2009 crisis, while governments in e.g. Germany, the Netherlands and Sweden did?
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    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Why do you think that the Tories did not manage to balance the budget after the 2008/2009 crisis, while governments in e.g. Germany, the Netherlands and Sweden did?
    You've bungled things. The Labour party was in power then. The conservative party has all but turned around the economy. While george Osborne was a doom monger, he certainly fixed the economy during his tenure as chancellor.
  10. Standard memberfinnegan
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    01 May '17 10:041 edit
    Originally posted by Ashiitaka
    Finnegan's attempts to take us straight back to the 1970's with his tried and tested disastrous ideas that brought Britain to its knees will never succeed.
    Empty mantras do not constitute a political argument.
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    01 May '17 10:06
    Originally posted by Ashiitaka
    You've bungled things. The Labour party was in power then. The conservative party has all but turned around the economy. While george Osborne was a doom monger, he certainly fixed the economy during his tenure as chancellor.
    Why do you think other governments did manage to make public finances sound while the Tories could not despite being in power since 2010?
  12. SubscriberGhost of a Duke
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    01 May '17 10:28
    Originally posted by Ashiitaka
    Finnegan's attempts to take us straight back to the 1970's with his tried and tested disastrous ideas that brought Britain to its knees will never succeed.
    The fellow does indeed seem trapped in a time warp.

    Flares and tank tops all round.
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    01 May '17 10:471 edit
    Originally posted by Ashiitaka
    You've bungled things. The Labour party was in power then. The conservative party has all but turned around the economy. While george Osborne was a doom monger, he certainly fixed the economy during his tenure as chancellor.
    Was Labour in power in Iceland?

    "Gudrun Johnsen was on the special commission set up to learn lessons from Iceland's banking collapse.
    "The banks were 10 times the GDP of Iceland; 20 times the state budget. They were too big to bail out.
    "The stock market collapsed: 80% of the stock market was wiped out overnight. Shareholders were badly hurt. About every other business in Iceland became technically bankrupt.
    "97% of the banking sector collapsed in a matter of three days, ..."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35485876

    Was Labour in power in Ireland?
    https://www.mtholyoke.edu/~falve22h/classweb/recession/recession/Causes_of_Crash.html

    Was Labour in power in America or Europe?
    "THE collapse of Lehman Brothers, a sprawling global bank, in September 2008 almost brought down the world’s financial system. It took huge taxpayer-financed bail-outs to shore up the industry. Even so, the ensuing credit crunch turned what was already a nasty downturn into the worst recession in 80 years. Massive monetary and fiscal stimulus prevented a buddy-can-you-spare-a-dime depression, but the recovery remains feeble compared with previous post-war upturns....

    With half a decade’s hindsight, it is clear the crisis had multiple causes. The most obvious is the financiers themselves—especially the irrationally exuberant Anglo-Saxon sort, who claimed to have found a way to banish risk when in fact they had simply lost track of it. Central bankers and other regulators also bear blame, for it was they who tolerated this folly. The macroeconomic backdrop was important, too. The “Great Moderation”—years of low inflation and stable growth—fostered complacency and risk-taking. A “savings glut” in Asia pushed down global interest rates. Some research also implicates European banks, which borrowed greedily in American money markets before the crisis and used the funds to buy dodgy securities. All these factors came together to foster a surge of debt in what seemed to have become a less risky world."

    http://www.economist.com/news/schoolsbrief/21584534-effects-financial-crisis-are-still-being-felt-five-years-article

    The Labour party was indeed in power in the UK and New Labour's fascination with neoliberal economic orthodoxies has been exposed as a mistake. Labour is now learning from that mistake. The Tories are not, as the evidence amassed earlier demonstrates. Even so, Brown's government was able to stabilise the economy after the worst crash since 1929, a global - not a British - failure of financial markets and neoliberal orthodoxy. The recovery was choked off by Tory austerity and that remains a massive problem for the UK economy. Far from "saving" our economy, the Tories are wrecking it.

    Now, get to grips with evidence and cut out the empty mantras.
  14. Standard memberfinnegan
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    01 May '17 10:50
    Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
    The fellow does indeed seem trapped in a time warp.

    Flares and tank tops all round.
    In the words of Tony Benn, "Every generation must fight the same battles again and again and again. There is no final victory, and there is no final defeat..."
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    01 May '17 11:32
    Originally posted by finnegan
    In the words of Tony Benn, "Every generation must fight the same battles again and again and again. There is no final victory, and there is no final defeat..."
    "You may have to fight a battle more than once to win it."

    Margaret Thatcher
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