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02 Jan 20
Sir Kier Starmer, obviously.
He will win despite him being a hard-core Remainer who will drive deeper decisions in the Party and northern voters further into the the loving arms of BoJo, he’s a Lord, he’s a solid part of the political and ruling establishment and carries the required political and intellectual gravitas the Party desperately needs at the moment. He will hoover up the remaining LibDem detritus and wipe them off of the political map for good which will be an amusing bonus but I wonder if the Labour Party need a moderate stance on EU relations now that that the “Brexit” battle is essentially a retrospective shadow, he will need Leave voters and Remain voters to support him.
If he wins, is he the right choice.
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03 Jan 20
@divegeester
It's completely irrelevant.
There will never be a left-of-centre English PM again, as there hasn't been since the 1980s.
04 Jan 20
@divegeester saidLabours best leader will depend on the political environment created by BoJo over the next few years. If he keeps his promises about governing for the whole of the country and not just the shires and he can avoid the disillusionment of the urban poor in the north and west of England, and Wales in general then labours only option will be a right leaning “moderate” candidate that in no way scares the horses. But I think anyone associated with the Corbynite world view would give Boris a lot of leeway in terms of fulfilling those promises or not.
Sir Kier Starmer, obviously.
He will win despite him being a hard-core Remainer who will drive deeper decisions in the Party and northern voters further into the the loving arms of BoJo, he’s a Lord, he’s a solid part of the political and ruling establishment and carries the required political and intellectual gravitas the Party desperately needs at the moment. He wil ...[text shortened]... he will need Leave voters and Remain voters to support him.
If he wins, is he the right choice.
However the idea that something as seismic as Brexit is going to fade into the shadows anytime soon is a hard core Brexiteer fantasy.
04 Jan 20
@shallow-blue saidnon sequitur
@divegeester
It's completely irrelevant.
There will never be a left-of-centre English PM again, as there hasn't been since the 1980s.
@kevcvs57 saidBrexit as a decision is over, finished, gone. The future is all about shaping the UK’s economic and political relationship with the world. Pitching a leadership challenge on Brexit is moot, futile and utterly stupid.
Labours best leader will depend on the political environment created by BoJo over the next few years. If he keeps his promises about governing for the whole of the country and not just the shires and he can avoid the disillusionment of the urban poor in the north and west of England, and Wales in general then labours only option will be a right leaning “moderate” candidate ...[text shortened]... s seismic as Brexit is going to fade into the shadows anytime soon is a hard core Brexiteer fantasy.
So who do you want as the new Labour leader?
Or who do you think will get it?
@divegeester saidIn fact the important decisions are yet to be made, the Brexit deal reached with the previous Johnson administration was just a framework for negotiations to begin and settled some urgent issues. There is no trade deal with the EU yet that would apply to the post-transition situation. If Johnson wants to have a deal as quickly as he says he wants it, he's going to have to fold on a lot of issues.
Brexit as a decision is over, finished, gone. The future is all about shaping the UK’s economic and political relationship with the world. Pitching a leadership challenge on Brexit is moot, futile and utterly stupid.
So who do you want as the new Labour leader?
Or who do you think will get it?
Politically, however, it would be best for Labour to let the issue rest for now and don't try to campaign on renegotiating whatever compromise is reached with the EU. In any case Brexit will be bad for ordinary Britons, but the consequences are too abstract and not far-reaching enough for the proletarians to realize they're just throwing away their own money for no purpose.
As much of a tosser he is, in the two-party system of the U.K. Labour needs someone like Blair, a down-to-Earth conservative who can win back uneducated working-class voters.
@kazetnagorra saidI would have thought that someone of your self-proclaimed superior intellect would have by now realised that looking down your nose and calling people names because they have a different political viewpoint to you just makes you look arrogant and supercilious whilst doing nothing to impact your message.
Labour needs someone like Blair, a down-to-Earth conservative who can win back uneducated working-class voters.
So you don't have a prediction on who will win?
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04 Jan 20
@divegeester saidodds checker have him odds on 8/11....7/2 RLB
Sir Kier Starmer, obviously.
He will win despite him being a hard-core Remainer who will drive deeper decisions in the Party and northern voters further into the the loving arms of BoJo, he’s a Lord, he’s a solid part of the political and ruling establishment and carries the required political and intellectual gravitas the Party desperately needs at the moment. He wil ...[text shortened]... he will need Leave voters and Remain voters to support him.
If he wins, is he the right choice.
04 Jan 20
@divegeester saidWon't deny looking arrogant and supercilious, but who did I "call names"?
I would have thought that someone of your self-proclaimed superior intellect would have by now realised that looking down your nose and calling people names because they have a different political viewpoint to you just makes you look arrogant and supercilious whilst doing nothing to impact your message.
So you don't have a prediction on who will win?
I don't know enough about internal Labour politics and the contenders to make any reasonable prediction.
04 Jan 20
@kazetnagorra saidWell thanks for your contribution anyway.
Won't deny looking arrogant and supercilious, but who did I "call names"?
I don't know enough about internal Labour politics and the contenders to make any reasonable prediction.
05 Jan 20
@divegeester saidToo soon to say, I was hoping Corbyn would go for a drawn out death scene so us new members have a chance to get the sort of numbers that could challenge the current leadership election caucus and a better idea of Boris’s domestic and trade policies as they are in reality rather than what Boris claims they will be.
Brexit as a decision is over, finished, gone. The future is all about shaping the UK’s economic and political relationship with the world. Pitching a leadership challenge on Brexit is moot, futile and utterly stupid.
So who do you want as the new Labour leader?
Or who do you think will get it?
Jesse Phillips made a lot of sense on the Marr show when she prioritised child poverty and homelessness over free broadband and nationalising anything that you couldn’t improve dramatically under public ownership.
Brexit is happening, that’s a fact but the question of whether it was a mistake will always be there and anyone who has ruled out a referendum on rejoining the EU in the future is seriously delusional, it will depend on how close we stay to the single market and how much damage our separation does to our economy and public services.
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07 Jan 20
@divegeester saidI'd make a quip about pots and kettles, but frankly this is just you calling out yourself on the rotten quality of the tea you brew.
I would have thought that someone of your self-proclaimed superior intellect would have by now realised that looking down your nose and calling people names because they have a different political viewpoint to you just makes you look arrogant and supercilious whilst doing nothing to impact your message.
So you don't have a prediction on who will win?