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Trump incited the rioters on Jan. 6th. He called the folks in GA and told them to find him more votes. He wildly manipulated the values of his properties in order to escape paying taxes. Legal scholars have said he repeatedly violated emoluments clauses He illegally froze military assets to Ukraine. He violated the Federal Election Campaign Act by asking for dirt on the Bidens, Testimony and evidence from Michael Cohen shows that Trump knew about hush money payments to be made to porn star Stormy Daniels. In 2018, the New York State attorney general Barbara Underwood said that Trump broke a law by enriching himself with nonprofit funding. The Donald J. Trump Foundation had its funding used for both personal and political gain.
This is just a partial list of what Donald Trump is guilty of. You 2 know it and so do many others. So, help me out here, in simple layman's language please explain why, after 5 years of legal briefs, legal chatter, investigations, endless continuances, appeals, stall tactics Donald Trump has not been punished for any of this! Is there ever going to be any penalties for this man? Is this how our system really works, you can break the law over and over, get your flesh eating lawyers to tie everything up in the courts forever while you happily go out and commit more crimes, then have your limo drive you to a private country club for 9 holes and a nice gourmet lunch?
Please guys, tell us in non-lawyer language why Americans should have any faith in our system of justice if this is how rich criminals are allowed to operate, when you 2 know full well if some average grunt like me had done even 10% of the illegal stuff "The Donald" has, I'd be locked in a cage right now with someone named Jamal the blade or Cyrus the virus. ðŸ˜
@mchill saidAnd WHY in the f--- is he on the verge of running for president AGAIN???
NO1Maruder and SH76 -
Trump incited the rioters on Jan. 6th. He called the folks in GA and told them to find him more votes. He wildly manipulated the values of his properties in order to escape paying taxes. Legal scholars have said he repeatedly violated emoluments clauses He illegally froze military assets to Ukraine. He violated the Federal Election Campaign Act by ask ...[text shortened]... d" has, I'd be locked in a cage right now with someone named Jamal the blade or Cyrus the virus. ðŸ˜
This man should never hold any elected office ever again. Period.
I'd even trade one for the other. Either go to jail for a long time, or never be allowed to hold any office ever again. Your choice, Donald.
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@mchill saidAs Yogi Berra astutely observed,
NO1Maruder and SH76 -
Trump incited the rioters on Jan. 6th. He called the folks in GA and told them to find him more votes. He wildly manipulated the values of his properties in order to escape paying taxes. Legal scholars have said he repeatedly violated emoluments clauses He illegally froze military assets to Ukraine. He violated the Federal Election Campaign Act by ask ...[text shortened]... d" has, I'd be locked in a cage right now with someone named Jamal the blade or Cyrus the virus. ðŸ˜
''It ain't over, til it's over.''
As I observe;
Money can't buy you love but,
it can buy you a good defense attorney.
Justice may be slow in coming but, I believe,
there will be a reckoning for Donald Trump.
@mchill saidWhite collar crimes often go unpunished. Even the ones who are punished get to off-load all their ill begotten gains to their kids and grand kids and spend a few weeks in prison before their lawyers get them off on a technicality.
NO1Maruder and SH76 -
Trump incited the rioters on Jan. 6th. He called the folks in GA and told them to find him more votes. He wildly manipulated the values of his properties in order to escape paying taxes. Legal scholars have said he repeatedly violated emoluments clauses He illegally froze military assets to Ukraine. He violated the Federal Election Campaign Act by ask ...[text shortened]... d" has, I'd be locked in a cage right now with someone named Jamal the blade or Cyrus the virus. ðŸ˜
Financial crimes, in particular, need much stricter laws and oversight. The problem as I see it is all the giants of finance spend a large chunk of their budgets bribing politicians.
Most acts committed as president by Trump would be considered abuse of power, not criminal acts...with the possible exception of Jan 6th.
I think a case could be made that you could charge most president's with crimes after they leave office. Bush and Obama used drone strikes on civilians that killed children. Or Trump when he ordered a drone strike on an Iranian General. Clinton has also been accused of war crimes.
Turning these guys over for prosecution could be seen as an act of retribution from political opposition. So there's a longstanding tradition of not holding former presidents responsible for their acts in government. Otherwise, Nixon should've been convicted of at least a few crimes.
Trump probably stands no chance of facing punishment for anything he did while in office, other than maybe Jan 6th. Even then, since (the majority conservative) Congress acquitted him, that sets a precedent making criminal punishment unlikely.
@jimm619 saidIt ain’t over ‘till the fat orange goose dances to YMCA.
As Yogi Berra astutely observed,
''It ain't over, til it's over.''
As I observe;
Money can't buy you love but,
it can buy you a good defense attorney.
Justice may be slow in coming but, I believe,
there will be a reckoning for Donald Trump.
@mchill saidI try to make it a policy to avoid discussing Trump. so I'll limit my comments to the following:
NO1Maruder and SH76 -
Trump incited the rioters on Jan. 6th. He called the folks in GA and told them to find him more votes. He wildly manipulated the values of his properties in order to escape paying taxes. Legal scholars have said he repeatedly violated emoluments clauses He illegally froze military assets to Ukraine. He violated the Federal Election Campaign Act by ask ...[text shortened]... d" has, I'd be locked in a cage right now with someone named Jamal the blade or Cyrus the virus. ðŸ˜
1. Prosecuting anyone for incitement for making a political speech is very, very difficult constitutionally. Unless a speaker says "Get the guy in the red shirt!" you're going to have a lot of trouble putting someone away for incitement under the Brandenburg test.
2. As far as I know, there is no federal criminal law attaching to violations of the emoluments clause, meaning it's basically impeachment or nothing.
3. Putting your political opponents in jail on graft-y type things is generally frowned upon in the US, unlike in some other countries. (In Israel, for example, if you're in politics long enough, the probability approaches 1 that you're going to be indicted at some point.) Prosecuting Trump for a lot of these gray-area corruption charges would not be a great thing for the country right now, and people in the Biden admin are smart enough to know that.
I imagine we could get 70% of the country to agree to the proposition that the best thing for the US right now would be for Trump to simply go away.
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@sh76 saiddo you think being truthful in the accusations plays a part? I couldnt help but notice you didnt address that.
I try to make it a policy to avoid discussing Trump. so I'll limit my comments to the following:
1. Prosecuting anyone for incitement for making a political speech is very, very difficult constitutionally. Unless a speaker says "Get the guy in the red shirt!" you're going to have a lot of trouble putting someone away for incitement under the Brandenburg test.
2. As far as ...[text shortened]... ee to the proposition that the best thing for the US right now would be for Trump to simply go away.
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@mchill said“
NO1Maruder and SH76 -
Trump incited the rioters on Jan. 6th. He called the folks in GA and told them to find him more votes. He wildly manipulated the values of his properties in order to escape paying taxes. Legal scholars have said he repeatedly violated emoluments clauses He illegally froze military assets to Ukraine. He violated the Federal Election Campaign Act by ask ...[text shortened]... d" has, I'd be locked in a cage right now with someone named Jamal the blade or Cyrus the virus. ðŸ˜
Trump incited the rioters on Jan. 6th. He called the folks in GA and told them to find him more votes. He wildly manipulated the values of his properties in order to escape paying taxes. Legal scholars have said he repeatedly violated emoluments clauses He illegally froze military assets to Ukraine. He violated the Federal Election Campaign Act by asking for dirt on the Bidens, Testimony and evidence from Michael Cohen shows that Trump knew about hush money payments to be made to porn star Stormy Daniels. In 2018, the New York State attorney general Barbara Underwood said that Trump broke a law by enriching himself with nonprofit funding. The Donald J. Trump Foundation had its funding used for both personal and political gain. ”
should propagating left wing lies be prosecuted?
@mott-the-hoople saidI was very careful not to address that for the reason cited above.
do you think being truthful in the accusations plays a part? I couldnt help but notice you didnt address that.
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@sh76 saidbut you feel free to state this…
I was very careful not to address that for the reason cited above.
“ I imagine we could get 70% of the country to agree to the proposition that the best thing for the US right now would be for Trump to simply go away.”
You have a wild imagination.
And silence is complicit approval.
@mott-the-hoople saidI typically maintain a pretty high standard for what people should be prosecuted for and I happen to think that most obstruction of justice statutes are overbroad and prosecutions are overreach.
since you are giving legal advice…should hilliary clinton be prosecuted for destroying subpoenaed evidence (destroying phones and computer hdd’s)?
@sh76 saidRegarding your third point, the financial crimes are what you're calling graft-y? Is it really that hard for politicians to not illegally spend political donations?
I try to make it a policy to avoid discussing Trump. so I'll limit my comments to the following:
1. Prosecuting anyone for incitement for making a political speech is very, very difficult constitutionally. Unless a speaker says "Get the guy in the red shirt!" you're going to have a lot of trouble putting someone away for incitement under the Brandenburg test.
2. As far as ...[text shortened]... ee to the proposition that the best thing for the US right now would be for Trump to simply go away.
Use separate accounts, track expenses, require authorizations and paybacks for spending wrong pots of money in the wrong ways. I would think this should be pretty easy to comply with.