Originally posted by jlillyThe Norwegians don't need much health care. The high price of gas keeps most of them on bicycles. That lowers their blood pressure and makes them very healthy.
those high gas taxes go to useful things that makes life better.
education, health, etc
things, Oh I DUNNO, most people in america DONT have
Originally posted by KazetNagorraConservative Americans don't subscribe to the French Revolution's notion of "Life, Liberty and Equality." Our American Revolution was premised on the idea of "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."
I've always been intrigued by Americans' fear of government. Perhaps I can find out here where it comes from.
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterSadly, the idea of Liberty is a a lost concept on many Conservative Americans.
Conservative Americans don't subscribe to the French Revolution's notion of "Life, Liberty and Equality." Our American Revolution was premised on the idea of "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterThe actual slogan of the French Revolution was "Liberty, Equality and Fraternity."
Conservative Americans don't subscribe to the French Revolution's notion of "Life, Liberty and Equality." Our American Revolution was premised on the idea of "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."
The Framers certainly didn't reject the idea of equality. You might recall this from the Declaration of Independence: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,. "Life, liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness are identified as natural rights, but I don't think they had a problem with either "equality or fraternity."
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Originally posted by mbakuninThe US has tried socialism. For example, FDR tried it by creating Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac to help America emerge from the Great Depression that went bust here recently. LBJ tried it by creating the social security system that government steals from and will someday go bust. You see, money corrupts and there is a lot more of it in the US than in Norway. So tell me, if Norway had the government that the US has would you want to rely more on it? I just can't wait to see what they do with health care!!
you should really try it, it works great here in norway. i've never understood why trying a little socialism seems to be absurd idea in america.
Originally posted by no1marauderYou're correct, the slogan is "Liberty, Equality and Fraternity," however, the framers of the U.S. Constitution rejected the notion of French/European notions of "equality." If they'd wanted to all be "equal," they'd never have left Europe or overthrown the Crown. Regarding the "...all men are created equal...," you'll notice that the emphasis is on "created," and the document says nothing about "shall remain equal" or "will be subjected to equal outcomes."
The actual slogan of the French Revolution was "Liberty, Equality and Fraternity."
The Framers certainly didn't reject the idea of equality. You might recall this from the Declaration of Independence: We hold these truths to be self-evident, [b]that all men are created equal,. "Life, liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness are identif ...[text shortened]... atural rights, but I don't think they had a problem with either "equality or fraternity."[/b]
Originally posted by whodeyNeither of those are "socialism". Both acheived their goals. That politicans and admins are screwing these things up NOW, doesn't change that fact.
The US has tried socialism. For example, FDR tried it by creating Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac to help America emerge from the Great Depression that went bust here recently. LBJ tried it by creating the social security system that government steals from and will someday go bust. You see, money corrupts and there is a lot more of it in the US than in Norway. ...[text shortened]... as would you want to rely more on it? I just can't wait to see what they do with health care!!
Let me know when Social Security goes "bust".
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterHUH? You think having a King shows a commitment to "equality"??
You're correct, the slogan is "Liberty, Equality and Fraternity," however, the framers of the U.S. Constitution rejected the notion of French/European notions of "equality." If they'd wanted to all be "equal," they'd never have left Europe or overthrown the Crown. Regarding the "...all men are created equal...," you'll notice that the emphasis is ...[text shortened]... s nothing about "shall remain equal" or "will be subjected to equal outcomes."
The French Revolution said nothing about "equal outcomes" either. Both revolutions believed in equality of rights. Here's something you probably never read. http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/rightsof.asp
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Originally posted by no1marauderLet you know when it goes bust? Kinda like letting you know when Freddie and Fanny go bust? I don't think I will need to notify you personally. LOL.
Neither of those are "socialism". Both acheived their goals. That politicans and admins are screwing these things up NOW, doesn't change that fact.
Let me know when Social Security goes "bust".
Although these programs may not equate socialism, they are socialistic in nature.
Originally posted by whodeyYou're an idiot. Do you know what "socialism" even means?
Let you know when it goes bust? Kinda like letting you know when Freddie and Fanny go bust? I don't think I will need to notify you personally. LOL.
Although these programs may not equate socialism, they are socialistic in nature.
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterTrading economic rights is only a small fragment of liberty.
Nonsense. What's sad is how many Americans are willing to trade their hard-won rights for Bismarkian cradle-to-grave welfare.
In case you arent aware, the US is not the land of liberty compared to others. There are about 20 other countries who are 'freer'.
The US has been trading away rights of speech and religion and search and seizure and due process... these things are eroding. The conservative american (especially those on the religious right) are all about sacrificing these things of late.
Originally posted by no1marauderSocialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration over the means and production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly.
You're an idiot. Do you know what "socialism" even means?
Although social security does not involve itself with production and distribution of goods, it does concern itself with creating an egalitarian society.