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limits to presidential pardon power?

limits to presidential pardon power?

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Hey MAGA, explain to me, please... how this guy ripping off his employees taking millions out of their paychecks so he could buy a yacht. He pleads guilty and is forced to pay 4 million in restitutions. His Mom pays trump $1 million, Trump pardons him.

With the pardon, this guy no longer has to pay the 4 million. He stole from his employees, and trump let him walk.

How is that ok?


@wildgrass said
Hey MAGA, explain to me, please... how this guy ripping off his employees taking millions out of their paychecks so he could buy a yacht. He pleads guilty and is forced to pay 4 million in restitutions. His Mom pays trump $1 million, Trump pardons him.

With the pardon, this guy no longer has to pay the 4 million. He stole from his employees, and trump let him walk.

How is that ok?
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@moonbus said
Fake it til you break it. That’s the vision for making America great: welcome to Z’berg, Chrisley, and Trump world.



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There's talk he may pardon the terrorists who tried to kidnap a state governor, but I'm pretty sure those local folks in Michigan can't afford the bribe.

The lesson is: if you want a pardon, rob a bank.


@wildgrass said
Is there any specific line that a president could cross with regard to pardon power that would elicit bipartisan condemnation? If this isn't a bribe for getting oneself out of prison, I don't know what is.
Between 2016 and 2019 he withheld more than $10 million from the paychecks of the nurses, doctors and others who worked at his facilities under the pretext of usi ...[text shortened]... d.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/27/us/politics/trump-pardon-paul-walczak-tax-crimes.html
He crossed that bridge already. He now accepts million dollar 'campaign donations' to get a pardon done. THAT BTW is a real pardon already.
ALSO pardoning public officials convicted of fraud, something NO other POTUS in US history has EVER done because of the negative optics involved.
Trump doesn't give a rats ass about ANY of that, you give him money, Uncle Bently gets out of prison.

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O no one wants to defend Trump's use of the pardon for these fraudsters. What about drug kingpins? I remember be once said that drug dealers should all get the death penalty. Now this?

"Larry Hoover was the head of perhaps the most pernicious, efficient drug operation in the United States," Safer said. "They sold over $100 million of drugs a year in the city of Chicago alone. They were responsible for countless murders. They supported their drug territories with ruthless violence."

It looks like Hoover is technically still in prison because some of his charges were state-lwvel crimes, but commuting the federal sentence (life) means he was transferred to a much nicer prison. So Trump's escalating a drug war and pardoning drug kingpins. Why?

https://www.npr.org/2025/05/31/nx-s1-5415939/trump-pardons-drug-kingpins-even-as-he-escalates-the-u-s-drug-war

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A warning by Frederick Douglas:

A bad President, for instance, has the power to do what? What can he not do? If he wanted to revolutionize this government, he could easily do it with this ponderous power; it would be an auxiliary power. He could cry “havoc, and let slip the dogs of war,” and say to the conspirators: “I am with you. If you succeed, all is well. If you fail, I will interpose the shield of my pardon, and you are safe. If your property is taken away from you by Congress, I will pardon and restore your property. Go on and revolutionize the government; I will stand by you.” The bad man will say or might say this. I am not sure but we have got a man now who comes very near saying it. Let us have done with this pardoning power. We have had enough of this. Pardoning! How inexpressibly base have been the uses made by this power — this beneficent power. It has been that with which a treacherous President has trafficked. He has made it the means of securing adherents to himself instead of securing allegiance to the government. Let us have done with closet pardons — pardons obtained by bad men — pardons obtained by questionable women — pardons obtained in the most disgraceful and scandalous manner.

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