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Banning words won't make the world more just. This comes from a lib columnist at The Atlantic.

Someone with a criminal record is a "justice involved person".

The disabled is now "a person living with a disability".

A slave now needs to be referred to as "an enslaved person".

Why? Who is this helping? The answer is no one.

This huge expense of energy to purify language reveals a weakened belief in more material forms of progress. If we don't know how to end racism, we can at least call it "structural". The guides are meant to make the ugliness of society disappear by linguistic fiat. Even by their own lights, they do more ill than good-not because of their absurd need to avoid using the word "congresswoman" or "expat", or the self torture they require of conscientious users, but because they make it impossible to face squarely the wrongs they want to right, which is the starting point for any change. Prison is not less brutal by calling someone locked up in one a "person experiencing the criminal-justice system". Obesity isn't healthier for people with "high weight".... equity language doesn't fool anyone who lives with real afflictions. It's mean to spare the feelings of those who use it.

In other words it does more harm than good. Stop doing it. FWIW this column is getting a lot of praise from liberals.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/04/equity-language-guides-sierra-club-banned-words/673085/

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Petroleum Transfer Technician is the job description for what used to be the guy who pumped gas. Of course, I haven’t actually seen a SERVICE station in decades … a place where teenagers would wash the windshield and check your water and oil while the tank was filling.

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Don't look at us...

That's liberals doing that.

Y'all need to fix your over-sensitivity.

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@wildgrass said
Banning words won't make the world more just. This comes from a lib columnist at The Atlantic.

Someone with a criminal record is a "justice involved person".

The disabled is now "a person living with a disability".

A slave now needs to be referred to as "an enslaved person".

Why? Who is this helping? The answer is no one.

[quote]This huge expense of energy to ...[text shortened]... www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/04/equity-language-guides-sierra-club-banned-words/673085/
That "liberals" at this moment in history find the time to belittle attempts like the Progressive's Style Guide's to suggest the use of more accurate terminology that doesn't reflect common biases, shows how pathetic they are and how unwilling they are to actual confront the growing neofascist movement which now dominates the Republican Party.

Here's the A Progressive’s Style Guide. https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.sumofus.org/images/SUMOFUS_PROGRESSIVE-STYLEGUIDE.pdf

There's a lot of good ideas and suggestions in it and rarely does it insist that one and only one term be used in place of biased ones commonly in use.

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Here's a good example; instead of "child pornography" or "kiddie porn" it suggests "child sexual abuse content". That's a far more accurate descriptor which stresses the harm done to the victim without using a neutral word like "pornography".

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Some people just like being in control. And I have to admit, whoever dreamed up changing the meaning of
the word "gender" is a convincing cult leader because no one ever challenged his right to do so. so there ya go


PS: had to add,
The leftists are so *sensitive* over a term like "illegal Aliens", yet will scream "white supremacist" to a passerby with great gusto.

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@earl-of-trumps said
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Some people just like being in control. And I have to admit, whoever dreamed up changing the meaning of
the word "gender" is a convincing cult leader because no one ever challenged his right to do so. so there ya go


PS: had to add,
The leftists are so *sensitive* over a term like "illegal Aliens", yet will scream "white supremacist" to a passerby with great gusto.
"A Progressive’s Style Guide is explicitly multi-voiced and is created
with the following commitments. 1) We combat discriminatory
language. 2) We seek advice or more information when we’re
unsure. 3) When writing, speaking, or using images, we aim
to use examples that reflect a broad range of identities and
perspectives.
We understand that there may be negative blowback to this
work and that we won’t be the first8
to experience it. We affirm
that we are aligned with free speech9
, and at the same time are
promoting thoughtfulness and openness about how language is
and isn’t used10, has been used11, and could be used12 for people
and for our planet collectively. Because language is dynamic,
changes with our struggles, and is shaped by criticism and the
collective construction of social justice, we are compelled to
keep building a collective language that liberates us all. As we
continue to think about ways to organize this information that
are accessible, user-friendly, clear, and aligned with progressives’
beliefs and strategies, we know that in some instances we still fall
short – and so, we also invite feedback. We are committed to this
work and to remaining in dialogue."

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.sumofus.org/images/SUMOFUS_PROGRESSIVE-STYLEGUIDE.pdf

Wow, they sure sound like "control freaks". Not at all like freedom loving people like you who want to pass new laws banning parents from taking their kids to what they consider to be harmless entertainment.

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@no1marauder said
That "liberals" at this moment in history find the time to belittle attempts like the Progressive's Style Guide's to suggest the use of more accurate terminology that doesn't reflect common biases, shows how pathetic they are and how unwilling they are to actual confront the growing neofascist movement which now dominates the Republican Party.

Here's the A Progressive’ ...[text shortened]... nd rarely does it insist that one and only one term be used in place of biased ones commonly in use.
You're making an assumption that any of this word play helps anyone in a meaningful way.

Otherwise the author is right. The only benefit is to make the person who is saying it feel better about brushing past the "unhoused" on the street.

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@endlame said
Don't look at us...

That's liberals doing that.

Y'all need to fix your over-sensitivity.

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@no1marauder said
Here's a good example; instead of "child pornography" or "kiddie porn" it suggests "child sexual abuse content". That's a far more accurate descriptor which stresses the harm done to the victim without using a neutral word like "pornography".
Does it?

Child pornography is by far the better term.
Porno being a pleasure. And then adding the subject matter “child” or “kid” it suddenly becomes something disgusting. Something like a poisoned banana. Or a πŸ’©-pancake.

It has something foul about it.
“Child sexual abuse content” is just a description.

Poisoned banana verses tropical fruit laced with arsenic for once in a lifetime consumption?

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@earl-of-trumps said
@wildgrass

Some people just like being in control. And I have to admit, whoever dreamed up changing the meaning of
the word "gender" is a convincing cult leader because no one ever challenged his right to do so. so there ya go


PS: had to add,
The leftists are so *sensitive* over a term like "illegal Aliens", yet will scream "white supremacist" to a passerby with great gusto.
Yeah I don't know where your weird ideas about gender definitions fit into this.

But... Coming up with more different words to add into the LGBT acronym? I feel pretty well informed but still just found out they added a 2 and a + so it looks more like a maths equation now.

And the proper use is to say that the lgbtqia2s+ are a "community"? I don't understand who this is helping, but is sure is confusing a lot of good intentioned people.

In your PS..... these are not the same people.

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@wildgrass said
Yeah I don't know where your weird ideas about gender definitions fit into this.

But... Coming up with more different words to add into the LGBT acronym? I feel pretty well informed but still just found out they added a 2 and a + so it looks more like a maths equation now.

And the proper use is to say that the lgbtqia2s+ are a "community"? I don't understand who this ...[text shortened]... ure is confusing a lot of good intentioned people.

In your PS..... these are not the same people.
No guns are being aimed at anybody's head to make them use any particular term. This is a big nothing burger except to further divide the Left by such petty complainers as the author of the Atlantic article.

I did bookmark A Progressive's Style Guide and find it quite useful. You should look it over.

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@no1marauder said
No guns are being aimed at anybody's head to make them use any particular term. This is a big nothing burger except to further divide the Left by such petty complainers as the author of the Atlantic article.

I did bookmark A Progressive's Style Guide and find it quite useful. You should look it over.
I didn't write that. I wrote that its confusing. You may like it but it is a waste of time and effort for every citizen to figure out and adopt new terminology for the same thing on a rotating basis.. It seems to purposefully distract away from actually fixing problems.

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@wildgrass said
I didn't write that. I wrote that its confusing. You may like it but it is a waste of time and effort for every citizen to figure out and adopt new terminology for the same thing on a rotating basis.. It seems to purposefully distract away from actually fixing problems.
Do you still call black people "coloreds"?

I don't think it's wasteful to refer to people or groups of people in terms that they prefer and/or are more accurate and less based in outdated bigotry (conscious or not). And I don't think it's that big of a chore for reasonably intelligent people to learn how to do so.

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