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  1. 09 May '16 04:47 / 1 edit
    Ly'in Ted used to be a favorite term for Donald. But what about Ly'in Donald?

    Within 24 hours of becoming the presumptive Republican nominee, Donald Trump had reversed his positions on tax increases, paying down the debt, raising the minimum wage, and self-financing his campaign. It was a busy day. (What is next? The Wall)

    In a Wednesday interview with CNBC, Trump said that the tax plan he released in September, which he had pledged would “provide major tax relief for middle-income and for most other Americans,” was only a starting point, and there could be middle-class tax increases in the future after all.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435096/donald-trump-flip-flops-toward-center
  2. 09 May '16 06:13
    Trump's many lies and falsehoods are well-documented, but flip-flopping isn't the same as lying.
  3. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    09 May '16 07:45 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    Ly'in Ted used to be a favorite term for Donald. But what about Ly'in Donald?

    Within 24 hours of becoming the presumptive Republican nominee, Donald Trump had reversed his positions on tax increases, paying down the debt, raising the minimum wage, and self-financing his campaign. It was a busy day. (What is next? The Wall)

    In a Wednesday interview wit ...[text shortened]... after all.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435096/donald-trump-flip-flops-toward-center
    Yes indeed. Missteps like flip flopping, foul language, legal problems (i.e. Trump Univ.) have a way of accumulating and draining a candidate's support. Donald Trump is already behind Hillary in the polls, and needs all the help he can get. This latest goof up is not going to help his cause.
  4. 09 May '16 09:16
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Trump's many lies and falsehoods are well-documented, but flip-flopping isn't the same as lying.
    So what exactly is the difference. People who voted for Donald in the primary may have regretted their vote now after he "changed his mind", wink, wink.
  5. 09 May '16 11:10
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Drumpf's many lies and falsehoods are well-documented, but flip-flopping isn't the same as lying.
    flip-flopping is exactly the same as lying


    you are saying one day your position is one thing then you change that position the next day. how is this not lying?
  6. 09 May '16 14:06
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    flip-flopping is exactly the same as lying


    you are saying one day your position is one thing then you change that position the next day. how is this not lying?
    People can change their minds. Trump's is empty, of course, but generally speaking people can genuinely have a change of heart. Have you never changed your stance on anything?
  7. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    09 May '16 14:36
    Originally posted by bill718
    Yes indeed. Missteps like flip flopping, foul language, legal problems (i.e. Trump Univ.) have a way of accumulating and draining a candidate's support. Donald Trump is already behind Hillary in the polls, and needs all the help he can get. This latest goof up is not going to help his cause.
    So that means now your choice for pres is Hillary or Bernie. Which one will you choose?
  8. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    09 May '16 15:16
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    So that means now your choice for pres is Hillary or Bernie. Which one will you choose?
    Mine? 1st choice Bernie, but I'll settle for Hillary.
  9. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    09 May '16 15:33 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by bill718
    Yes indeed. Missteps like flip flopping, foul language, legal problems (i.e. Trump Univ.) have a way of accumulating and draining a candidate's support. Donald Trump is already behind Hillary in the polls, and needs all the help he can get. This latest goof up is not going to help his cause.
    It's not a goof but a pivot.

    Sure Trump can make breathtaking flip-flops because nobody's really been paying attention to his positions anyway.

    His early staking out positions in the center so that they'll be old news by the summer and fall and sucking up to the Mexicans on Thursday are indications that Trump is a craftier politician than I've given him credit for. I still think he'll lose, but I'd caution against laughing at this strategy.
  10. 09 May '16 15:43
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Drumpf's is empty, of course, but generally speaking people can genuinely have a change of heart. Have you never changed your stance on anything?
    "People can change their minds. "
    not politicians, in the same campaign, trying to shop for people's votes.

    "Have you never changed your stance on anything"
    when i promise something, i deliver. if i don't think i can do something, i don't promise it.
    otherwise i would be LYING. not flip-flopping.


    i actually would like you to do this. please promise something to each of your friends. don't do anything you promise. act outraged when they call you a liar and insist you just flip-flopped.
  11. 09 May '16 15:44
    Originally posted by sh76
    It's not a goof but a pivot.

    Sure Drumpf can make breathtaking flip-flops because nobody's really been paying attention to his positions anyway.

    His early staking out positions in the center so that they'll be old news by the summer and fall and sucking up to the Mexicans on Thursday are indications that Drumpf is a craftier politician than I've given him credit for. I still think he'll lose, but I'd caution against laughing at this strategy.
    "pivot"

    lying
  12. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    09 May '16 15:46
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    "pivot"

    lying
    I say tomato, you say tomahto.
  13. 09 May '16 15:50
    Originally posted by sh76
    It's not a goof but a pivot.

    Sure Trump can make breathtaking flip-flops because nobody's really been paying attention to his positions anyway.

    His early staking out positions in the center so that they'll be old news by the summer and fall and sucking up to the Mexicans on Thursday are indications that Trump is a craftier politician than I've given him credit for. I still think he'll lose, but I'd caution against laughing at this strategy.
    People have underestimated Trump thus far because they have overestimated voters. I still expect the question "are people really that stupid?", which was answered in the affirmative during the primaries, will receive a different answer in the general although that would require a crushing defeat for Trump.
  14. 09 May '16 17:23
    Originally posted by whodey
    Ly'in Ted used to be a favorite term for Donald. But what about Ly'in Donald?

    Within 24 hours of becoming the presumptive Republican nominee, Donald Trump had reversed his positions on tax increases, paying down the debt, raising the minimum wage, and self-financing his campaign. It was a busy day. (What is next? The Wall)

    In a Wednesday interview wit ...[text shortened]... after all.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435096/donald-trump-flip-flops-toward-center
    What's new? Politicians say what people want to hear. That's democracy!
  15. 10 May '16 01:23 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by normbenign
    What's new? Politicians say what people want to hear. That's democracy!
    Actually, no it's not.

    Democracy is voting for something and having your vote actually cout to promote whatever it is you want. Instead, people are voting for an issue a candidate promotes and then the candidate then "pivots"/"shifts"/"lies", whatever your word of choice is, to another position.

    Democracy is then subverted with no consequences for the so called representatives.