Originally posted by DelmerWhat's Moore ever done than ask a few pointed questions? There was a time when Americans would not shrink back from giving good answers. That they prefer to shoot the messenger shows a crises of confidence for even them to believe their own BS
Of Michael Moore? I'm in favor of that.
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Originally posted by kmax87Michael Moore personifies BS. Michael Moore is the quintessential self promoter, a propaganda pitchman.
What's Moore ever done than ask a few pointed questions? There was a time when Americans would not shrink back from giving good answers. That they prefer to shoot the messenger shows a crises of confidence for even them to believe their own BS
Originally posted by kmax87Nobody keeps MM from selling his wares. He makes millions doing it. As I understand it, in the USA we have the right to critique whom we choose. MM certainly has been able to critique whom he chooses.
When everyone else gets to sell their wares untrammelled, why pick on just one voice?
Originally posted by DelmerCritique and reactionary statement are two different things. Typically MM gets attacked for being un american and all sorts of tripe. It seems if you want to dismiss someones argument in America, just label them a bleeding heart liberal and then a sudden avalanche of diatribe and cliche'd invective flows. Tell me a dozen things that Moore has claimed that are patently untrue?
Nobody keeps MM from selling his wares. He makes millions doing it. As I understand it, in the USA we have the right to critique whom we choose. MM certainly has been able to critique whom he chooses.
Originally posted by kmax87I said that I think MM is "the quintessential self promoter, a propaganda pitchman." That's what I believe. You seem to believe he is a crusading prophet. So we disagree. But if he is dismissed and treated unfairly in America then why is he lionized and making millions?
Critique and reactionary statement are two different things. Typically MM gets attacked for being un american and all sorts of tripe. It seems if you want to dismiss someones argument in America, just label them a bleeding heart liberal and then a sudden avalanche of diatribe and cliche'd invective flows. Tell me a dozen things that Moore has claimed that are patently untrue?
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Originally posted by DelmerI have only seen "Bowling for Columbine" of all his work. While I do not exactly see him as a crusading prophet, I am also not unaware that he has managed quite successfully to install himself as a media darling and somewhat of a sacred cow. Just because he makes millions should not detract from his message, however. Obviously he's arguments resonate with millions of Americans out there or otherwise he would have shut down shop and moved town long ago.
I said that I think MM is "the quintessential self promoter, a propaganda pitchman." That's what I believe. You seem to believe he is a crusading prophet. So we disagree. But if he is dismissed and treated unfairly in America then why is he lionized and making millions?
Originally posted by kmax87I thought that his first movie "Roger and Me" was his best. I rather liked that, perhaps because it dealt with what are local issues here in Michigan. In any case, kmax, I have to catch up on my chess games. Good luck with Tuesday's soccer game. You have the last word.
I have only seen "Bowling for Columbine" of all his work. While I do not exactly see him as a crusading prophet, I am also not unaware that he has managed quite successfully to install himself as a media darling and somewhat of a sacred cow. Just because he makes millions should not detract from his message, however. Obviously he's arguments resonate with mil ...[text shortened]... ons of Americans out there or otherwise he would have shut down shop and moved town long ago.
Originally posted by DelmerHey thx, we need a lot of luck with Italy. It will be a long time before we could rationally say that we were in their league.
I thought that his first movie "Roger and Me" was his best. I rather liked that, perhaps because it dealt with what are local issues here in Michigan. In any case, kmax, I have to catch up on my chess games. Good luck with Tuesday's soccer game. You have the last word.