Massachusetts Ends Qualified Immunity for Police, Fire

Massachusetts Ends Qualified Immunity for Police, Fire

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@sh76 said
You can't force individual police officers to carry liability insurance.

Instead, the departments will have to carry it, like law firms carry malpractice insurance and businesses carry workers' compensation insurance.

Since the state funds the police anyway, I'm not sure what real world impact this will have.
Public school teachers are not covered by their district's insurance. They need to spend their own money on liability insurance, especially since teachers' unions, especially in Wisconsin, my home state, have been eviscerated.

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See Kev. This happens to white people too.

"Zachary Hammond, an unarmed white 19-year-old...

On July 26, Hammond was driving through the back parking lot of a Hardee's fast-foot restaurant in Seneca, which sits 40 miles from Greenville near the North Carolina border, when he was stopped by two police officers as part of a drug sting.

The officers were targeting Hammond's passenger, a 23-year-old woman.

Bland said Hammond slowed the car and reached to the floor, where his car's gear shift was located, in order to put the vehicle in park. At that point, Bland said, someone shouted that Hammond had a gun.

It is not clear who shouted. But the uniformed police officer at the scene, who has not been identified, shot Hammond twice."

https://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-zachary-hammond-police-shooting-20150804-htmlstory.html

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@phranny said
Public school teachers are not covered by their district's insurance. They need to spend their own money on liability insurance, especially since teachers' unions, especially in Wisconsin, my home state, have been eviscerated.
I imagine that could be a slight discomfort, paying for it.
What do you think the cost would be for a police officer, three times that... four?

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https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

So far in 2020 - 209 White people have been shot to death by the police- thats nearly double the amount of Black's shot over the same time period - 109. Are you suddenly convinced because they are white ( shooting by police is racially motivated in your estimation) all the shootings were completely justified? Not a single instance of a white man being killed by the police been in the national news this year that I'm aware of - certainly not as hyper aware as we are of every Black man that is killed in this manner? Why??

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@joe-shmo said
https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

So far in 2020 - 209 White people have been shot to death by the police- thats nearly double the amount of Black's shot over the same time period - 109. Are you suddenly convinced because they are white ( shooting by police is racially motivated in your estimation) all the shootings wer ...[text shortened]... of - certainly not as hyper aware as we are of every Black man that is killed in this manner? Why??
Brooks was shot several times in the back while running away with virtually the entire incident being caught on various video devices. That's the kind of thing that makes it on the evening news.

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@no1marauder said
Brooks was shot several times in the back while running away with virtually the entire incident being caught on various video devices. That's the kind of thing that makes it on the evening news.
Do you have any evidence to make the claim that in not a single one of “double the instances of police shootings” of that on blacks a white person was not shot in the back as they ran away?

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@joe-shmo said
Do you have any evidence to make the claim that in not a single one of “double the instances of police shootings” of that on blacks a white person was not shot in the back as they ran away?
I would think the onus would be on you to prove such an incident occurred (which we both know you can't).

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I would think the onus would be on you to prove such an incident occurred (which we both know you can't).
There is at least one YouTube video of such an instance. The white man was shot in the back twice by a black female cop I believe in Chicago as he tried to flee after a tussle with two black officers . The victim was on the train tracks, and the police stopped him for his safety. They ended up taking his life. I’ll try to find the video in a bit.

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Actually, it turns out he survived...lucky you!...for the moment. Since you don’t do YouTube video’s notice the article mentions nothing of his race.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1194971

Raw footage.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NjY9WKbMB6c

100 to 1. if he had died you would still be blissfully unaware of the incident.

Well, since that doesn't count as a death, it would seem as though I have the circumstances of 209 white victim police shootings to determine. This should be that hard...

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@no1marauder said
They'd better spend their time trying to figure how not to violate the rights of the People than trying to figure out how they can escape responsibility for doing so.
What I don't get...

Chauvin has been arrested. Indeed, many police have all been arrested for their crimes.

Chauvin was actually arrested in... five days. In the same district, Mohammed Nouri, who shot an unarmed Australian woman at point blank range, took months & months & months before a grand jury was convened. It was 8 months until the man was held in custody.

Not only did the system work, but it worked a lot faster than it usually does in Minnesota.

The idea that the police routinely violate your basic human rights and get away with it just isn't very true.

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@joe-shmo said
Actually, it turns out he survived...lucky you!...for the moment. Since you don’t do YouTube video’s notice the article mentions nothing of his race.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1194971

Raw footage.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NjY9WKbMB6c
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Here it is!

There were 19 White people Shot and Killed in 2020 fleeing the scene on foot.

The database is embedded.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

no1marauder response...prove they weren't running backwards!!!

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@joe-shmo said
Actually, it turns out he survived...lucky you!...for the moment. Since you don’t do YouTube video’s notice the article mentions nothing of his race.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1194971

Raw footage.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NjY9WKbMB6c

100 to 1. if he had died you would still be blissfully unaware of the incident.

Well, since ...[text shortened]... ve the circumstances of 209 white victim police shootings to determine. This should be that hard...
What's your point? The story made NBC news even though the guy didn't die.

It was also on CBS: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chicago-police-extended-videos-officer-shooting-unarmed-subway-rider-ariel-roman/

This "white people are persecuted in US" fable you and the other right wingers keep pushing is a joke.

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@no1marauder said
What's your point? The story made NBC news even though the guy didn't die.

It was also on CBS: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chicago-police-extended-videos-officer-shooting-unarmed-subway-rider-ariel-roman/

This "white people are persecuted in US" fable you and the other right wingers keep pushing is a joke.
I would think the onus would be on you to prove such an incident occurred (which we both know you can't). - no1marauder


This is my point.

There were 19 White people Shot and Killed in 2020 fleeing the scene on foot.

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@joe-shmo said
Here it is!

There were 19 White people Shot and Killed in 2020 fleeing the scene on foot.

The database is embedded.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

no1marauder response...prove they weren't running backwards!!!
Gee, good article - did you read it?

"Black Americans are killed at a much higher rate than white Americans"