Originally posted by Dace AceWhat you fail to understand is that what is natural is arbitrary and therefore irrelevant for morality. Even if you can think of some consistent way of defining natural behaviour that does not include all behaviour (which no one in this topic has done), it's still useless for defining moral behaviour.
And murderers? Are they born that way? Or do they choose to kill? If they were born that way, then it is "natural" so it should be allowed? They don't have a choice. Nature made them murderers.
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Originally posted by KazetNagorraOK, so if I understand all of you, providing consent, you, your mother, father, brother and sister can all ingage in a wild orgy, and you would be OK with it.
What you fail to understand is that what is natural is arbitrary and therefore irrelevant for morality. Even if you can think of some consistent way of defining natural behaviour that does not include all behaviour (which no one in this topic has done), it's still useless for defining moral behaviour.
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Originally posted by Dace AceI wouldn't be okay with it because I wouldn't consent to it.
OK, so if I understand all of you, providing consent, you, your mother, father, brother and sister can all ingage in a wild orgy, and you would be OK with it.
But, let's say the four are adults and consent to it. Can you articulate a reason why it's wrong?
I know I can, but can you? 'Because it's gross' is an opinion, not a reason, by the way.
Nemesio
Originally posted by NemesioMom & dad in their 50's, son & daughter in their 20's, all adults, all consent to sex with each other. It should be allowed & legal, correct?
I wouldn't be okay with it because I wouldn't consent to it.
But, let's say the four are adults and consent to it. Can you articulate a reason why it's wrong?
I know I can, but can you? 'Because it's gross' is an opinion, not a reason, by the way.
Nemesio
Originally posted by Dace AceIf all are sane, I don't see any moral issues, however I don't think it should be legal because that would make legally proving abusive parent-childrelationships much harder, and most of these relationships are abusive anyway.
Mom & dad in their 50's, son & daughter in their 20's, all adults, all consent to sex with each other. It should be allowed & legal, correct?
Originally posted by KazetNagorraSo you would deny them their right to enjoy each other sex because it MIGHT make it harder in some other case? Does not sound very fair for these consenting adults.
If all are sane, I don't see any moral issues, however I don't think it should be legal because that would make legally proving abusive parent-childrelationships much harder, and most of these relationships are abusive anyway.
Originally posted by Dace AceYes, I would. This is common in law. For example, planning a terrorist attack is illegal in most countries even though you could theoretically make a terrorist plot without actually having any intention to harm people.
So you would deny them their right to enjoy each other sex because it MIGHT make it harder in some other case? Does not sound very fair for these consenting adults.
Originally posted by KazetNagorraSo it is not much of a stretch that if you are willing to have sex with another man, then that homosexual would not have any difficulty having sex with a boy. As a parent, with a child. Even though they have no intention to harm anyone, but only to show their "love".
Yes, I would. This is common in law. For example, planning a terrorist attack is illegal in most countries even though you could theoretically make a terrorist plot without actually having any intention to harm people.
Originally posted by Dace AceThe difference is that a) age is easy to verify and b) homosexual sex is usually not abusive while incest is.
So it is not much of a stretch that if you are willing to have sex with another man, then that homosexual would not have any difficulty having sex with a boy. As a parent, with a child. Even though they have no intention to harm anyone, but only to show their "love".
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Originally posted by Dace AceThere is no logic to what you say. That is the same as saying that if you would have sex with a woman then you would be willing to have sex with a little girl.
So it is not much of a stretch that if you are willing to have sex with another man, then that homosexual would not have any difficulty having sex with a boy. As a parent, with a child. Even though they have no intention to harm anyone, but only to show their "love".
This is asinine. You are really reaching now.
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Originally posted by Bosse de NageDefine exists.
Everything that exists.
Incest, bestiality, sexual predation and so forth are clearly natural acts. The whole argument from nature is deeply flawed: it is natural to want to hack people into little bits.
Do my thoughts exist?
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