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Originally posted by @zahlanziMy wife and I have medicare. If you don't also have some kind of supplimental policy you can still be in trouble if you have to have expensive proceedures done because medicare only pays 80% of the bill so if you have an operation that has a cost of 200,000 medicare pays 160,000 and you are still stuck with a 40,000 bill. My wife is in poor health and has been in hospital so many times in the past 4 years I have literally lost count. But her supplimental has paid almost every penny medicare does not. The next issue is prescription drugs. Without drug policy of some kind, there was a stretch where we lost our prescription plan for 6 month. Under the plan, say drug X cost 7 dollars but with no plan, 125 dollars. Try living with that for 6 months. Another drug issue: the "donut' hole.
A town of issues to discuss. A ton of issues that have already been discussed.
These are but a few:
- The US spends more per capita on healthcare with worse results than pretty much all other developed countries in the world.
- The US cannot negotiate prices for drugs used in Medicare with the drug companies.
- 30000+ people die because they don' ...[text shortened]... hcare. Medicare is immensely popular and it works. You just have to allow people to get into it.
Originally posted by @sonhouse"My wife and I have medicare. If you don't also have some kind of supplimental policy you can still be in trouble if you have to have expensive proceedures done because medicare only pays 80% of the bill so if you have an operation that has a cost of 200,000 medicare pays 160,000 and you are still stuck with a 40,000 bill."
My wife and I have medicare. If you don't also have some kind of supplimental policy you can still be in trouble if you have to have expensive proceedures done because medicare only pays 80% of the bill so if you have an operation that has a cost of 200,000 medicare pays 160,000 and you are still stuck with a 40,000 bill. My wife is in poor health and has ...[text shortened]... to donate an infinite amount of money to whomever they think will vote for their special bills.
Originally posted by @zahlanziWhy don't all the people who believe in free healthcare get together and pay for their free healthcare, no more cry baby whining.
"My wife and I have medicare. If you don't also have some kind of supplimental policy you can still be in trouble if you have to have expensive proceedures done because medicare only pays 80% of the bill so if you have an operation that has a cost of 200,000 medicare pays 160,000 and you are still stuck with a 40,000 bill."
this brings us to one of the ot ...[text shortened]... accident and break your hip again, have the procedure again and get on a return plane to the US.
Originally posted by @zahlanziIt's not really $200 grand. No insurance company would ever pay that kind of money, nor would Medicare. I see hospital bills and then what the insurance companies actually pay. They pay 10 or 20 cents on the dollar.
"My wife and I have medicare. If you don't also have some kind of supplimental policy you can still be in trouble if you have to have expensive proceedures done because medicare only pays 80% of the bill so if you have an operation that has a cost of 200,000 medicare pays 160,000 and you are still stuck with a 40,000 bill."
this brings us to one of the ot ...[text shortened]... accident and break your hip again, have the procedure again and get on a return plane to the US.
Originally posted by @sh76"That's why people with no insurance who have major health problems either can negotiate with the hospital for months or years"
It's not really $200 grand. No insurance company would ever pay that kind of money, nor would Medicare. I see hospital bills and then what the insurance companies actually pay. They pay 10 or 20 cents on the dollar.
Hospitals bill insanely high rates that they know insurance companies will negotiate down. But when a private pay person comes in, there's nobo ...[text shortened]... ized insurance. The repeal of the individual mandate, of course, if just going to make it worse.
Originally posted by @wajomaWhy don’t the people who want a standing army get together and pay for it? No more cry babying.
Why don't all the people who believe in free healthcare get together and pay for their free healthcare, no more cry baby whining.
Originally posted by @zahlanziSo if health care is a right, why should Medicare be able to turn you down for anything?
"That's why people with no insurance who have major health problems either can negotiate with the hospital for months or years"
Yes, that's totally a reasonable thing to ask a person dying of cancer. To battle an army of lawyers for that next chemo dose. Or ask every citizen of the wealthiest country in the world to prepare himself for a legal battle ever ...[text shortened]... r maybe you did it because you were careless, in which case try to be more attentive next time)
Originally posted by @whodeyI would say so.
So if health care is a right, why should Medicare be able to turn you down for anything?
So the next time Medicare turns someone down for a medical procedure or treatment, are their rights being violated?
Originally posted by @zahlanziJeez. 🙄 🙄 🙄
"That's why people with no insurance who have major health problems either can negotiate with the hospital for months or years"
Yes, that's totally a reasonable thing to ask a person dying of cancer. To battle an army of lawyers for that next chemo dose. Or ask every citizen of the wealthiest country in the world to prepare himself for a legal battle ever ...[text shortened]... r maybe you did it because you were careless, in which case try to be more attentive next time)
Originally posted by @sh76I could say that you're too stupid to understand when someone is not attacking you but a system. Too dumb to understand that agreeing with someone for the wrong reasons still makes your position flawed, too dumb to understand what the discussion is about and bringing something completely unrelated because it's easier to attack that rather than debate on topic, too stupid to understand when insults are warranted and when they are not. Too stupid to understand when you're contributing something to the discussion and when you're just filling up space with random thoughts.
Jeez. 🙄 🙄 🙄
You're too stupid to know when someone's agreeing with you.
Originally posted by @sh76I think she's saying that you're right in principle, but don't go far enough. Not knowing all the details I don't know about that, rhere are certainly downsides to literally unlimited healthcare, but one thing is certain. What you have now is murderous.
Jeez. 🙄 🙄 🙄
You're too stupid to know when someone's agreeing with you.
Originally posted by @shavixmirSince Medicare denies more people medical care and various treatments than private insurance, we all want Medicare instead?
I would say so.
It shouldn’t be right to deny someone care if they need it.
Originally posted by @sonhouseMedicare must be for all.
My wife and I have medicare. If you don't also have some kind of supplimental policy you can still be in trouble if you have to have expensive proceedures done because medicare only pays 80% of the bill so if you have an operation that has a cost of 200,000 medicare pays 160,000 and you are still stuck with a 40,000 bill. My wife is in poor health and has ...[text shortened]... to donate an infinite amount of money to whomever they think will vote for their special bills.